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Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

3431.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:45 pm

The key question hasnt been answered by anyone with facts and quoted verses from teh Quran. I am currently reading it, but have only been able to read a few pages because its difficult language.

Anyway. Is a headscarf obliged in the islam? Because if its not as many say, the title of this thread is far from true (which I think it is anyway).



Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

3432.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:22 pm

Quoting mltm:


Yes, you're right about it. I think they have just made a decision (or they are about to make) to remove this religion section on the identies which is a shame for a secular state. No one has asked me or my sister or my father while writing Islam on our identities and both my sister and my father are deists. I think it comes from the ottoman time because there were taxes for the non muslims.

And one more funny thing about my identity card, I don't know if it was done by mistake but on my previous identity card it was written "virgin". It must have been written "unmarried". The turkish words for these are "bakire" and "bekar", they are a bit similar, so I hope it was a mistake although I don't think.

Anyway, I think from now on we are more careful about these identity cards because the old ones are not appropriate for our republic.



Yes Kadir said the same, no one is asked. You can change it later, but I heard many people keep it, just in case (if you apply for a job and your boss turns out to be a muslim, you might have more chance etc. It is discrimination but nearly inevitable).

And that unmarried thing is really strange :-S



Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

3433.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 11:16 pm

One can have a beautifully pure and caring heart, and not wear a headscarf, one can have very bad thoughts and intentiosn when dealing with other people but still wear a headscarf.

Do the people who think wearing a headscarf is a MUST for God, really think that the God who they belief created such a magnificent thing as life, cannot see what is more important?

Let's say that there is such a rule, do muslims really think that their God will send a bad-hearted scarved woman to heaven and a woman who spend her life taking care of others, doing charity but without a head-scarf to hell?



Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

3434.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 10:25 pm

Quoting Aysenur:

Religions in Turkey :

ISLAM : 99.8% (mostly sunni)
Other : 00.2% (mostly christians and jews)



Just for the record I would like to point out that these figures are 'incorrect'. Within the 99.8 procent there must be a large percentage of people who arent muslim at all, only the official records say so. Kadirs whole family for example, their passports say they are muslim, but none of them is religious at all. I know some more families like that in both Ankara and İzmir, and I bet they are not the only one.

However I wont contradict that the big majority of Turkey is muslim, just wanted to point this out out of experience Ive had here so far.



Thread: Balık-ekmek in Güzelbahçe

3435.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:58 pm

Someone asked me the name of the büfe in Güzelbahçe, which according to me, serves one of the nicest balık-ekmek. As I 'cleaned up' my PM inbox, I have to admit and take the shame of forgetting whom asked me! I am very sorry to have forgotten but here is your answer:

Ferhat Büfe.

If you take busline 8, it will stop halfway the entering road to Güzelbahçe. There is a place next to the sea where many fisher-shops are. There is a small büfe on the entrance of that path down the road, and there is Ferhat Büfe. Half a bread with crispy fish, tomato and onion is priced only 2,5 YTL and filled well and really very tasty. You can also order a plate for 6 YTL.

Afiyet olsun



Thread: poem who search for author and translation

3436.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:04 pm

Quoting lunila:

Her sabah doğan günes,bir sabah doğmaz oldu
Elleri ellerimden kayıp giden yıldız oldu
Gülünce ışık saçan ogözler yaşla doldu
Ağlama dönmez artık,
bir varmış bir yok oldu
Giderken biraktığı bütün renkler siyah oldu
üZülme anla artık belki
de huzur buldu.

Dursun zaman,dursun diyorsun da,oyun değıl ki yaşamak
Sen inanmasan da bir son var anla herkese inat

Duysun seni dönsün diyorsun da,oyun değil ki yaşmak

Yok bir çare bir anla,sakın uyanma,yillara inat...



The sun, that rises every morning, suddenly didnt rise one morning.
Her hands got lost and left my hands and became stars
When laughing, the eyes gave light
Those eyes are filled with tears.

Don't cry, she wont come back anymore
Something that existed, disappeared
When leaving, all the colors she left behind turned black.
Dont cry, finally understand
Maybe she also found peace


May the time stop, may it stop you say. But to live is not a game!
Even if you dont believe, there is an end, understand.
Stubborn to everyone (huh)

May she hear you, may she come back, you also say. But life is not a game!

There is no sollution, just understand for once, dont wake up,
Stubborn to the years

(I tried to translate but think someone else will do a better job )



Thread: please urgent here from Tto E

3437.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:43 pm

Quoting Nisreen:

seni anlamaya calisiyorum cok iyi bir insansin bunu cok iyi anliyorum yasadigimiz surece hayatimizda zorluklar olacaktir bunlar dogaldir uzulmeartik


insanlar herzaman herseyin fazlasini daha cok isterler ama elimizde olanlarla sukur etmeliyiz herkesin sansiz oldugu zamanlar vardir ama zaman herseyin ilaci



I am trying to understand you. You are a very good person, I understand this veyr well. As long as we live there will be difficulties in our lives, these are normal, dont be sad anymore.

People always want more of everything,but we should be thankful for what is in our hands. Everybody has unfortunate times, but time is the medicine for all.



Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

3438.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:20 am

Quoting mltm:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting mltm:

Just to say, it catched my eye two times here as reading. Iran is not an arabic country.



Yes when writing mine İ realized that too, but I dont think there is much difference in their mentality, is there?



Yes, they are currently governed by a fanatic government although the iranians were not like that years ago. I just wanted to say it because persians don't like to be confused as arabs.
And I don't consider all the arabic countries the same. There are serious differences between countries.
Other than this I agree that Turkey is far developped in women rights to any of the countries we mention.



One of my best friends in Holland is a refugee from Iran. Ive known her since we were around 10 years old, so actually I only know about Iran. I read a novel about it written by a Dutch writer (a masterpiece), and from then the stories in the newspaper from İrak all started to seem the same with Iran.. Could be wrong ofcourse.

And yes, Turkey is far developped compared to any of those other countries.



Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

3439.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 12:54 am

Quoting mltm:

Just to say, it catched my eye two times here as reading. Iran is not an arabic country.



Yes when writing mine İ realized that too, but I dont think there is much difference in their mentality, is there?



Thread: what is "ca"?

3440.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 12:42 am

Quoting TeresaJana:

deli kizin ...excellent examples for me and thank you for the additional information. that is very helpful



Ohh you are more than welcome Happy to hear it was usefull



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