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Thread: what caught my eye today

1151.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 07:50 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 It seems you are unable to rationally discuss this - you are comparing a burka to a bikini, instead of everyday clothes that people wear - the majority of which would satisfy the Quran´s requirement!  As this muslim group in Canada are saying, the burka has nothing to do with the Quran and more to do with men´s jealousy.

I´m happy to see you have read and understand that the total covering is not an Islamic rule....I´m sure you realize this tradition did not origin with Islamic culture....

 

Bronze statuette of a veiled and masked dancer Greek, Hellenistic, 3rd–2nd century B.C.

Actually the first documentation of female veiling appears to come out of the rights of Isis...who said "No man has seen my face"...initiates to her cult covered their faces....that cult spread throughout the Mediterranean.  She became Our Lady of Byblos, Demeter........and so on....

 

 



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Thread: what caught my eye today

1152.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 07:34 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Yes there are bad men everywhere - but to support a culture which persists in the degradation of women and regards them as possessions and second class citizens really does not help women does it? You crazy?

 

Bad men exist everywhere.....but I think you are confusing cultures and put the blame in the wrong place.  Do you think being a pimp to one´s women is good? In many cultures women are used to sell products.....now what do you call that....I´d call it pimping.



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Thread: what caught my eye today

1153.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 07:27 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

  ............. It is common to see women shopping in their burkas for their tiny mini skirts, sexy tops and lingerie (much of which would be too tarty even for the west!! lol ) and going home to play the slut for their demanding husbands.  If you support this hypocracy then fine, but please dont call it "freedom for everyone"

 

ummm......I don´t think a wife dressing and acting in a way to have fun with her husband constitutes being a slut...........how Victorian of you. I am surprised at you.



Thread: what caught my eye today

1154.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 03:35 am

Believe it or not, you seem to have been in more conservative areas....in SF and NYC I have seen too much nakedness parading around in the streets. (for my taste anyway) I choose the word naked, rather than nude on purpose. Groan....it hurt my eyes!  Some things are better covered. It´s not illegal in quite a few places, and more than a few take advantage of that "freedom"

 

You should come here and see what one sees during the summertime. I remember one time in NYC seeing a man wearing nothing but a gourd on his privates, a ladies wig on his knee walking down the street....everything else was bare...Puking

 

I think we are getting somewhat confused with semantics. Burka???please define exactly what it is? Do you mean the Afghani thing with the grid over the eyes? I tried one of those on and really found it hard to see out of, and my eyelashes got stuck in the grid. I have no idea how those ladies manage.  I have spoken with a few Afghani women who told me they had no problem with them, but I notice they do not wear them here.  Wearing a long robe and head covering really should not present any problem IMHO.

 

Wearing something that covers ones face like a balaclava is something else and I certainly understand why people would be upset about them.

 

I undersand how some women may feel more comfortable wearing a covering.  It´s sort of like going out but not being out.  Like having an invisibility cloak...but when they are in Western countries, they shouldn´t expect it. 

 

If you ever wore one of the all covering things, you might find your feelings change. In the "West" we are used to seeing more physicality of individuals. In the Burka wearing societies, other things are seen.

 

They are very recognizable by their movement and posture. 

 

You see things you do not see when you are looking at the same women in Western garments.

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

Whoooaaaa there! I have no idea which region of the world you´re referring to but I don´t know a European country that allows walking naked in the streets. As a matter of fact, I have never seen people in bikini in the street even in 35C heat, so, please, do not compare beach outfits with everyday clothing as it´s a missed comparison. Even following your line of reasoning, allowing burka in the evil west should happen at the same time countries like Saudi allow women to wear bikinis in the streets or walk around naked. Besides, you failed to acknowledge another factor of why burkas should be banned - the public safety issue. I don´t think it´s allowed to walk in the streets in a balaclava. Why should it be allowed to wear burka? If I´m not mistaken you may get in trouble in certain cities if you have a hoodie on your head, how´s that regarding personal freedom?

 

Although, as you write, women are not necessarily forced to wear these discriminatory clothes, how can a country that grants equality tell the difference between women forced to humiliate themselves consciously and those who are forced to it?

 

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

1155.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 06:08 pm

+++Flowers

 

I do think when the face is covered, making identity very difficult, it´s going too far.

 

Quoting Merih

 

 

 I totally agree with you....  I used to believe women did not have a place in society unless they take of that headscarf (either forced by families or husbands) and those baggy clothes (specially the black ones, and the veil..) But now living in Dubai, where you can see women from everywhere around the world living in peace, in different positions in companies or government jobs, and making even some friends, I realised that:

 

1. They are not necessarily forced by somebody, but choose for themselves.

2. They can be and are as intelligent, humorous and social as us.

3. The burqa is sometimes the national dress code.

 

In my conversations, they told me that they feel fully naked when they don´t wear a hijab (a head scarf), they are bullied in Europe, US, Canada and Australia (mainly), while every other person can enjoy their choice of clothing, wearing bikinis, or not wearing at all.

 

And I do believe while we support freedom in belief and speech, we have double standards when people believe in something that we don´t.

 

Is that fair?? To allow someone to wear a tiny bikini and not to allow someone a burquini (which covers the body and the hair)???  And why don´t we strip off the nuns as well, they are fully covered too?????

 

 

 

 



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Thread: What are you reading?

1156.       alameda
3499 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 05:01 am

The Hidden Messages in Water by Masaru Emoto


and Memoirs of a Geisha by Arthur Golden



Edited (10/11/2009) by alameda [add ]



Thread: What made you laugh today?

1157.       alameda
3499 posts
 09 Oct 2009 Fri 08:56 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 I thought you wére from Texas..... Shy (Please don´t I will get you 

 

Actually, they are  Daughters of the Confederacy.............

 

From the Handbook..........I think it´s hard for one outside of the USA to understand.



Edited (10/9/2009) by alameda [edit]



Thread: What made you laugh today?

1158.       alameda
3499 posts
 08 Oct 2009 Thu 09:31 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 

 alameda, we are talking about a state where it is ok to shoot a human intruder on your property!  I am fairly sure shooting a deer out of season would go pretty much unnoticed!  <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

Just had to add the funny Texas links:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIiZfpQQkPA&NR=1

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt7FDTpzGvo

 

Ummm....well what can I say???...as I´ve said before.....I do my best to stay far far away from Texas....

 

"The work goes on, the cause still endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die" 

Edward Kennedy 1932-2009

 

Until then.....



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Thread: What made you laugh today?

1159.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 11:43 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 Well, here in the great state of Texas, we shoot them.  They are rarely a problem after that!<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 

Raccoons are a protected animal in most parts of the USA.............and I sure would not want to be on any Texas roadway if you shoot deers on them. 

 

Usually hunters must have a license,  and the hunting is only done in particular seasons.



Thread: What made you laugh today?

1160.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 10:10 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

 Raccoons appear to be quite clever too.  I finally had to move my garbage cans in the garage.  What seems to be a problem now is deer season.  Almost have hit two deers now coming to work..  I feel terrible when I see them crossing busy intersections, since we have forced them out of their natural habitat.Sad  I´m wondering if those deer detectors you can buy for your car, really works..

 

Yes, I too see them in the roadways....different types too.  There is one around here that is tiny almost like a goat, and others that are regular deer size. 

 

Just drive slow and keep your eyes open.  I´d hate to hit any living thing.............ewww....No way



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