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24 Aug 2006 Thu 09:24 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Erdinç,
Can we call eylem + (y) Iş infinitive too ?
like
Anlamak.....anlayış
Gülmek.....Gülüş |
No. These are permanent nouns. The -ış,iş,uş,üş suffix is a verbal noun suffix.
In Turkish the -ma, -me suffix in gitmeye, okumaya, yürümeyi, bakmaya is the short infinitive. You can call it a verbal noun suffix if it makes you happy. I used to call it verbal noun suffix.
The truth is that the -ma, -me suffix has two independent functions. Except the negative suffix -me, ma which we don't need to mebtion here, we have a verbal noun suffix -me, -ma and a shorth initive suffix -me, -ma.
1. to be a short infinitive as in gitmeye, koşmaya, yürümeye , bakmaya. This first usage is not limited. It can apply to any verb. Notive that ıt has no nominative version because nominative takes full infinitive. The short infinitive exists only in dative, accusative, genitive cases for all verbs.
2. to be a verbal noun suffix and to build permanent nouns such as yüzme (swimming) , okuma (reading) , yazma (writing). This second usage is called gerund in English. It is limited to very few verbs. There are few verbs that can have the gerund version in Turkish.
Most sources just call it verbal noun suffix and leave it that way. I would prefer using to different names for them. We have already one -me -ma suffix which is the negative suffix. Instead two -me, -ma's we would have three if we call one verbal noun and the other short infinitive.
Anyway, the naming is not the most important thing as long as you can use it. The "-ış,iş,uş,üş" works exactly the same way as the second usage (marked as number 2 above) of -me, -ma (not the first usage).
These are permanent names derived from verbs: gidiş (departure) , bakış (glance) , geliş (arrival).
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