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23 Aug 2006 Wed 03:06 pm |
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Quoting aslan2: Short infinitive? What is it? Never heard of. Is it a term you call -me/-ma suffix? So far I never come across such a term in a grammar book? Where did you see it? |
I haven't seen it anywhere. It is called "ma infinitive" in Turkish. In Turkish we just say "mak infinitive" or "ma infinitive". Therefore I call them long or short infinitives.
TDK is our official language institution. Here is a definition from their dictionary:
Quoting TDK: http://www.tdk.gov.tr/TDKSOZLUK/SOZBUL.ASP?kelime=mastar
"Fiilin -mak / -mek veya -ma / -me ekleri alan ve isim gibi kullanılan biçimi, eylemlik: al-mak, üşÃ¼-mek, gör-me, bul-ma vb."
"Infinitive: A verb's noun form that takes the -mak / -mek or -ma / -me suffixes, infinitive: al-mak, üşÃ¼-mek, gör-me, bul-ma etc." |
Quoting CANLI: Quoting erdinc:
Dative and accusative cases use always the short infinitive. |
Erdiç,
İ thought the short infinitive takes only iyelik ekleri ,and nothing else
My understanding it is not a verb now,so we don't treat it as a verb, But we treat it as a noun ? full noun ? |
Greetings,
This link I mentioned in my above post as well.
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_27_6871
If you check it you will see that I and others did say many times that and infinitive is the noun versioh of a verb. Like all nouns infinitives takes case suffixes.
Check message number #10. Accusative, dative and genitive is in "ma infinitive" and ablative , locative and nominative is in "mak infinitive" form.
Quote: İ mean we can say
Okula, okulda,okuldan ,and so on,
So we can use the short infinitive same way ?
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Yes. This is exactly true.
Examples:
1. gitmek
nominative: gitmek
dative: gitmeye
accusative: gitmeyi
locative: gitmekte
ablative: gitmekten
genitive: gitmenin
2. sevmek
nominative: sevmek
dative: sevmeye
accusative: sevmeyi
locative: sevmekte
ablative: sevmekten
genitive: sevmenin
On message #10 you will find full suffixes of cases.
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_27_6871
What do you do by adding cases sıffixes to an infinitive?
Simple. You use them with transitive verbs. Most vrebs in Turkish are transitive (they take an object).
Example:
uyumak (to sleep) is intransitive since you can not sleep something.
sevmek (to love) is transitive since you can love something.
A transitive verb takes the object in a predefined noun state (accusative, nominative, dative etc)
For instance it is "-i sevmek", "-den hoşlanmak", "-e başlamak", "-i bilmek".
-i sevmek : yüzmeyi seviyorum (yüzmek> yüzmeyi)
-den hoşlanmak > Kitap okumaktan çok hoşlanırım (okumak > okumaktan)
-e başlamak > Yalan söylemeye başladı. (söylemek > söylemeye)
-i bilmek > Yüzmeyi biliyor musun? (yüzmek > yüzmeyi)
By "-i sevmek" I mean that sevmek always takes the -i case and this is predefined and this will never change. On the other hand hoşlanmak always takes the -den case. You just learn what verb takes what case and then you apply this case to the object whetherthe object might be a noun or infinitive.
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