SuiGeneris
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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 05:28 pm

 Quoting Deli_kizin

But no, I´d never say ´Ne mutlu Türküm diyene´, because to me, it sort of implies that anyone who claims to be something else, must be mutsuz.

To me, it is better to consider the meaning of these sentences, when it is said, and where it is said!

To gather the a society again, these should have been said after a very very heavy war! we talk about 1920s right?

 Its their stupity to get that meaning and provake the people against other people with using this... That is also not true! but that doesnt again make it right to provake the other side

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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 04:33 pm

Quoting mltm

 There are racists every where, in Turkey as well. There´re racist people in Turkey, no one can deny it, but do not state it as there´s a real racism in Turkey because there´s not.

The intention of this statement is obvious and it´s far from being racist, and the fact that this statement have been being used by racists does not make it a racist statement in its origin. Because The intention was to unite people not to divide.

As I said there´s no pure Turk. I doubt if one can come up with his/her pure turkish genes, because there´s no. So, by being Turk, you understand being a citizen of Turkey, being someone who loves to be a part of this country and its people.

you know very well it is not entirely true. Definition of Turk is ethnicity.

Apart from Ataturk´s one saying ´Ne mutlu Turk´um diyene´, almost all talks about related to ´being a Turk´ relates to ethnicity not being a citizen of Turkey.

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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 04:53 pm

Quoting thehandsom

you know very well it is not entirely true. Definition of Turk is ethnicity.

Apart from Ataturk´s one saying ´Ne mutlu Turk´um diyene´, almost all talks about related to ´being a Turk´ relates to ethnicity not being a citizen of Turkey.

 Which etnicity? As I said there´s no more one pure ethnic turk, but what you hear in your mind is Turk is anything other than Kurd, then what you do becomes kurdish nationalism.

I acknowledge that people should be more freer to live their culture and to talk their language but you cannot say that there is no step taken for this.

 But the major problem that might separate us is "not being willing to be part of this one nation", then at this point there´s nothing Turkish government can do about.

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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 05:00 pm

Quoting mltm

 Which etnicity? As I said there´s no more one pure ethnic turk, but what you hear in your mind is Turk is anything other than Kurd, then what you do becomes kurdish nationalism.

I acknowledge that people should be more freer to live their culture and to talk their language but you cannot say that there is no step taken for this.

 But the major problem that might separate us is "not being willing to be part of this one nation", then at this point there´s nothing Turkish government can do about.

I dont think you get the point here..Because of your nationalism kurdish nationalism is at this level right now in Turkey. (Because almost each nationalism defines itself more or less with hatred of ´others´ rather  than ´love for your country´

You say ´steps are taken´, but Mltm, look at the article I quoted up there. Can you say that a person who is thinking that he/she is a kurd can live as free as you are? What if that person does not want to say ´Ne mutlu Turkum diyene´?

what are you going to do with it?
He deserves to live in that country as much as you and I do!!

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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 05:28 pm

Quoting thehandsom

What if that person does not want to say ´Ne mutlu Turkum diyene´?

what are you going to do with it?
He deserves to live in that country as much as you and I do!!

 I have not read that article yet, but then the same question goes to you what if you said "ne mutlu Türküm diyene" and became competely equal to any other citizen? What will you lose, what do you have against this? Why do you always insist to pronounce your ethnical origins, in our daily life we have nothing to do with etnics. I´m not ethnically 100% turkish, but I do not feel that I have to be pure turkish to say that I´m a turk because I was born in Turkey, I got education there, I lived there with other turkish people. You are the one who tries to make things hard. In streets everywhere I hear kurdish people talk kurdish so loudly, if that´s what you mean and in their private as well no one bans them anything. However I think your problem is rather with "being a Turk", because you are indeed the one who thinks racistly.

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Quoting thehandsom

when we were living together for centuries, no one was screaming to their faces ´How glorious to be a Turk´ or  telling them ´if you dont say it you are my enemy´..

 There are racists every where, in Turkey as well. There´re racist people in Turkey, no one can deny it, but do not state it as there´s a real racism in Turkey because there´s not.

The intention of this statement is obvious and it´s far from being racist, and the fact that this statement have been being used by racists does not make it a racist statement in its origin. Because The intention was to unite people not to divide.

As I said there´s no pure Turk. I doubt if one can come up with his/her pure turkish genes, because there´s no. So, by being Turk, you understand being a citizen of Turkey, being someone who loves to be a part of this country and its people.

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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 04:29 pm

Quoting thehandsom

when we were living together for centuries, no one was screaming to their faces ´How glorious to be a Turk´ or  telling them ´if you dont say it you are my enemy´..

 Because you were the only power in these lands! Thats the problem thehandsom! power! now the other have power! and you have problems! isnt it exact to see?

When you have that power, again the rest will have problems!

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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 04:13 pm

Quoting azade

 Well, that´s one way to put it. But he only got that far because because he repressed his kurdish side

 He does not need to repress anything, because there´s no need to reveal and emphasize your ethnic origin. Do you know that in Turkey it´s not very possible to find a "real ethnic Turk", most of the people have different origins, laz, circassian, bulgar, greek, armenian, arab, kurd, russian, georgian, iranian,jewish and so many different ethnics, with different amounts. So why would it be different for Kurds? For centuries, you have been living together and you are similar. No one asks about ethnics in Turkey because there´s no need to know it. So what would you expect the president to say, "I´m a Kurd"?, and so what?

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 08 Oct 2008 Wed 04:15 pm

Quoting mltm

 He does not need to repress anything, because there´s no need to reveal and emphasize your ethnic origin. Do you know that in Turkey it´s not very possible to find a "real ethnic Turk", most of the people have different origins, there´re many people turkish-kurdish as well. So for centuries, you have been living together and you are similar. No one asks about ethnics in Turkey because there´s no need to know it.

 Strange

From what I hear the Turkish police need a lesson from Meltem in "living together" and "no one asks about ethnics" - they target and discriminate against Kurds on a regular basis ......