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Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

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mylo
856 posts

25 Nov 2007 Sun 04:24 am

Quoting vineyards:

Mylo, could you provide us with a concise but authoritative summary of the points that you want to make.
Each time I attempt to read your posts I lose track of what's going on.

For example in your opening post, are you actually apoligizing on behalf or justifying the attitude of your spouse?

Furthermore, among all those selections of opinions belonging to different individuals or institutions which ones are your personal thoughts?

Let's put it in a nut shell...

I initially entered the debate with three ideas on my mind,the first was to explain what my wife meant when she implied there was such a thing as 'pure blood'as we all know this can't be true unless you are from some indigenous tribe,that has had no contact with the outside world,my point here was that my wife is proud of her country and in her naive way this was how she explained it,her point was well meant but not in it's delivery.

The second idea was that of Nationalism in general.I can't talk about Turkish Nationalism as i'm not qualified to do so,I don't know enough of Turkish Culture,history and Politics to comment the subject,ie,The PKK problem,however it appears that there are some people here who feel that they are qualified to discuss it even though they have never lived there for any great length of time in the country.
I also wanted to highlight the problems of immigration in the UK,and ultimately nationalism/immigration issues in all countries.These are my views,they aren't collated from Government 'spin',or Politically motivated press offices or websites claiming that they know everything,if these are what you mean about 'Authoritive' then no I guess they aren't.The Government here can't keep track of who is entering/leaving the UK,if they can't inform us who can?
If you can find me an 'Authoritive' source on this subject,Vineyards i'm sure we would all like to read it.

The third reason was that of 'Freedom Of Speech'everyone has their voice whether we like it or not,they say what they want when they want,that's the whole idea isn't it?It's not like a tap,one can't just use the Freedom Of Speech law when it suits them,then turn the tap off when something unsavoury arises,it's taking the good with the bad,as long as personal attacks on individuals or groups aren't singled out,that's fine with me.

I too agree with Aneigma,there is no excuse for racism in any shape or form,and some of these posts have over stepped the mark.I wouldn't even want to defend them,but there is room for debates about Nationalism,and Political discussions as they affect us all.

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

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mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 06:41 pm

'Just how many more immigrants would it take to sink the whole Island?....I have a very good plan ! 'Alpha you are welcome to come you may be the straw to break the Camels back lol lol

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

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mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 06:38 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting mylo:

Again,you are putting words in people's mouths did I say I was sensitive?It is you who introduced the website,I asked why?and in all honestry the reason you give is weak at best,and irrelevent at worst.I don't think we are going to progress this debate any further,it's turning into 'tickle tackle'plus unless you have actually spent anytime in inner city poverty,you can't comment,all that can be done is keep throwing websites of dubious origin into the debate,but here's the kicker,numbers on a speadsheet,and demographic configurations do not reflect 'real life'

I think you need to read things more clearly! I was not putting words in your mouth - your "sensitivity" was my opinion, not a quotation.

I posted that website and made it clear it was to Turkish Nationalists to show them English Nationalists opinions about muslims. It is not of "dubious origin" it is part of the British National Party's official website!!

The only one turning this thread into "tittle tattle" is you!

Lets not get personal here! and the inclusion of the word 'you' in your last sentence is doing just that,but I suspect that this is a ploy one uses when the chips are down,throw in a good old personal insult.
All the posting of that website has done is show ignorance and a clutching at straws mentality to streghthen ones weak sided arugument,cheap tricks never produce satisfactory results.
I said this before I don't think this debate is going any further,so if the winner of this debate is the one to have the last word,please write after this message and declare yourself the winner,it will go down in TC history,and display perfectly that you are right in every debate and that everyone else is wrong(oops getting personal,I could throw a cheap insult in at this juncture,but I won't.
I think we can agree to disagree,I'm sure immigration numbers in wealthy parts of the UK are negligible anyway.

Thread: T 2 E Lutfen

354.

mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 06:07 pm

Quoting Alisaxxx:

Anlamadin ne oldu seni gÃ¶rmek istiyorum ama simdi olmaz ben gelmek zaman sana haber vermek aşkim taman.

once agan Thankyou

you dont understand what's wrong?i want to see you but not now when i come i'll let you know my love ok?

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

355.

mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 06:04 pm

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

356.

mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 05:52 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Its not a game Mylo and you should not take it personally. We just have different opinions and I never made accusations of you supporting the BNP. You should read again.

So why are you waving the BNP website around?It was you that introduced this site to the debate i'd like to know why?I'm well aware it's not personal it's a debate,and we are different in our opinions.
My wife works legally pays her tax legally,this is how it should be so no 'our case' is not exceptional.

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

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mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 05:45 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Turkish muslim nationalists may be interested to read ONE of the many proposals made by your British equivilents. You have a lot in common:-

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1078

Firstly,the disgusted one,I never said that I supported the BNP,if you read my post correctly you will see that i said 'They have a point to make'with regards to immigration in the UK,and I still stick by it as the other political factions ie Labour,Conservatives,Lib Dems all seem to be doing nothing about it!Furthermore,my wife is of Turkish extraction,do you really think I would support the BNP?please don't try and play the rascist card on me it doesn't wash,you have how many people in your family of foreign extraction?I digress,
Secondly,You live where exactly?oh yes,that little wealthy island(one of the wealthiest places in the UK)off the South Coast of the UK,where there are a whopping 1% of skilled immigrant workers within your whole population,if you look at that number in the UK you will see it is 20 fold.
You don't see people selling guns and drugs on your streets,working tax free in taxis kebab houses(not all),claiming they are fleeing a country,even when there is no problem to flee from,because they don't get through the front door so I hardly think you are qualified to talk about it,again i'm just exercising my freedom of speech,if you are disgusted well frankly I don't care.
This is like a game of top trumps,i'll match your BNP implications with this,
http://www.migrationwatchuk.com/default.asp

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

358.

mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 05:35 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Turkish muslim nationalists may be interested to read ONE of the many proposals made by your British equivilents. You have a lot in common:-

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=1078

Firslty,the disgusted one,I never said that I supprted the BNP,if you read my post correctly you will see that i said 'They have a point to make'with regards to immigration in the UK,and I still stick by it as the other political factions ie Labour,Conservatives,Lib Dems all seem to be doing nothing about it!
Secondly,You live where exactly?oh yes,that little wealthy island off the South Coast of the UK,where there are a whopping 1% of skilled immigrant workers within your whole population,if

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

359.

mylo
856 posts

24 Nov 2007 Sat 06:20 am

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting seker:

You've puzzled me with your posts,to be accurate with your way of thinking,and still !

İ mean,i thought im Egyptian,can anyone say to me same as you did ?!
That im not Egyptian for ANY darn reason?!
Who'd DARE to say that anyway?!
Who DARE to judge if i have a PURE BLOOD or not ?
And who made him,or you the judge,by what authority you can judge who has pure blood or not ?
Or who is Turkish or not ?!

And what is it with PURE BLOOD anyway ?
So,i should be daughter of Pharoh to be pure blood,and i guess you should be son or daughter of the Osmanlı Empire too ?!

Come to think about it..
You are living in England as i understood,married to a Brit, so your kids wont have PURE BLOOD..will they ?
So they wont be neither a Turks,nor a Brits,because either way they wont have PURE Turkish BLOOD nor PURE British BLOOD !
So,where should they live ?
As you believe,only PURE BLOOD people has the right to live in the country
Thats why Kurds dont have the right to be in TÃ¼rkiye,
So your kids wont have the right to live in TÃ¼rkiye,nor in England...

So.. ?!

İ dont believe you people !

For 'these words' I am forced to apologise,I am the said spouse with whom she is married, and my wife speaks from her heart,she has her hang up's about her country as I do in mine but,however I don't agree with what she has said here,and in principle neither does she,she just loves her home country, if there is something wrong with this let me know!
I don't need to quantify her words neither do I shy away from them,I actually agree with her in many ways and with many others here 'passive aggressive' is not the way forward these issues need to be brought forward and not hidden, they should be discussed,expressed,we need a move forward.
'The freedom of speech Act' in the UK is not there for when it suits everyone,it's there for everyone to give their voice to a subject,even if we don't agree with what is being said!It's the receivers response that counts no?If it isn't like this it goes into a 'pidgeon hole''it's only Freedom Of Speech' when it suits,and doesn't offend anyone ever!How is that'Freedom'?As much as I hate them,the BNP and other right wing parties are in essence trying to look after the rights of the milions who were born here before them,and who struggled to make this country great,I'm not talking about The Royal Family,wealthy landowners,i'm talking working class men/women who worked their nuts and bolts off after the war to re-build this country England and the UK,who never took time off,and scoffed at the fact that someone from another country could do a better job than them,this is national pride,not racisim,if you have a better tag to put on this say it!
However this really irritates me(maybe only me,hey i'm using my fredom here)
'I can't say this'in case it offends someone...'I can't say that' because society tells me I can't....'I can't disagree with a minority'because they will complain...or it's not 'PC' This is like i'm only a bit pregnant Doctor,not a lot but i'm nearly there

I can only talk freely a little but,if it offends one person abort:?
The sad story is that in the UK today this is how most of the people feel,whether they like it or not(socialisation from birth)(google it)when I say natives I mean 'Whites'(if i'm being rascist let me know?i'll revoke everything i've said,but as far as I know until the last hundred years or so the majority of the population here were white,I have a feeling i'm going to eat these words because most English/British folk will either attack their own in order to show how 'free' superior they are or say nothing in case of being vindicated,because society/the government/the press, told them to be so).
Do natives not feel that they are paying too much tax in the UK?Do they not feel 'put upon' in the UK? I certainly do,when I pay my yearly tax bill, and when I see migrant foreigners cashing in on an infrastructure and superstucture that's already been built/established from our forefathers,through no help from any distant foreigner,after the First and Second World Wars how many of these' foriegn assistants' to our Welfare State'was there?
The problem now continues these immigrants are paying no tax on the whole working in the back of kebab houses(although this establishment is not exclusive,taxi drivers,selling substances they really shouldn't be selling etc....)at the same time you see your Mother/Father retiring on less money after 50 odd years hard work and 'they' earn more working illegally,and people have the balls to say 'you are a racist',bring it on,I have so many websites full of numbers,figures,all in favour,and not in favour of immigrants to the UK I can't count them all,but as we all knew anyway these numbers all speak the truth and they never lie

If you want to call the Police,because i'm not exercising my 'freedom of speech' correctly or inciting racial hatred and all the other crap the British Media want's to churn out,let me know i'll give you my number.I finish with a quote picked up at uni for all you number/statistician fans,
'There are lies,damned lies,and then there are statistics'
Desmond disraeli...

Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

360.

mylo
856 posts

22 Nov 2007 Thu 11:05 pm

....and Indians,pakinsatnis,chinese,bengalis,poles,bulgarians,Turks,Kurds,most people from the poorer areas of the African continen tbasically anyone from anywhere you want,take your pick we have them all,end of sale come pick up your bargains

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