If you have no comment regarding my points, perhaps it is better not to embarass yourself with further posts like this

 So you agree the rest is a mess - with confusion over translations, cultures and interpretations?

 Hahaha this is all you can say

Ciko is a muslim and he agreed 100% - but you are just lost for words eh?

 Yes I ridicule people for their "beliefs" because you are all following distorted versions and have man made practises.  No religion seems to agree within itself.  You call yourselves "family" but all have varying degrees of understanding of the same religion - you mix antiquated cultural practises with religious ones, you cannot agree on any aspect in fact, until you are attacked and then you become a big "family"!  Religion, and your interpretation of it, depends only on the mere fact of geographical location at birth with the few exceptions of "converted" ones like you. 

Ask a simple question about a particular religion and you may get 100s of different replies.  An intellectural will have a different answer to an uneducated one.  A Saudi will have a different view to a Turk..... and so it goes. 

How can you have faith, when you have no clear understanding or agreement?  You can answer "but my faith is private and personal to me".  It is not - it affects the whole world...

Canli thank you for you very patient answer   Actually (of course) what you say is almost completely right.  May I just correct you on one point about your religion?  You made the comment that only muslims are allowed to receive Zakah.  In fact, you are allowed to give non-musilms Zakah in an emergency, where the matter is life or death.  However, the culture remains "we don´t give money to non-muslims, only our Islam family", as Alameda was happy to declare!

Despite Peacetrain´s concerns that I am trying to attack Islam, I am actually not.  I am just amazed at how little many muslims (even fervent converted ones!) know about their own religion!  It is a shame that so many take on the antiquated practises of other cultures and think it is part of Islam. I can understand why men would want to keep the status quo, but I do wonder about the women!    For example, ask any Professor of Islamic Studies what the meaning of obeying your husband is and they will reply that it is symbolic and not relevent to modern times.  It is only of significance in prayer.  However, ask many muslim men of its meaning, and you will get a completely different answer

Even dear Peacetrain had to wait until she received the comfort of your back-up before replying - mostly with just psychological assumptions about me   Anyway she will need to calm down after all her huffing and puffing ...

 And more knowledgeable

I am not your judge, but if you declare "I am a muslim" I wonder why you then declare that you bend your religion´s rules?   

At least Alameda defends her religion - you just want to be all things to everyone!

 Yesterday.....emm....seem to have forgotten what I was doing yesterday.

 The answer here is very much clear AE, even its in your post too.

As you see, they are talking about Zakah.

Zakah is one of the 5 concept of Ýslam, where Muslims are OBLÝGED to give part of their own money to the poor.

That part is set, determined with some calculations, and conditions too.

The people who receive Zakah are also categorised, not every muslim fit to receive Zakah.

But also only Muslims receive Zakah no one else.

As alameda said, i maybe responsible of supporting member of the family, but not responsible to support neighbour for example.

But that doesnt mean, i cant help neighbour from other money than Zakah.

Meaning, if this year i should be giving 500 $ as Zakah ´after calculations´, im OBLÝGED to give that sum this year and not a penny less, and also must be giving it through that year not a day after.

The people who would receive that money as i said have some conditions but first they MUST be muslims.

Ýf there is a crises, and i want to donate money to help people ´non muslims or muslims doesnt matter´ , i can do that of course with any sum of money i wish to help, BUT other than that 500$ Zakah

Ýn Ýslam that called Sadakah, and Sadakah doesnt have condition except helping people, any people.

The people in your post wanted to take from the Zakah money and help people not under the Zakah conditions, and want to consider it Zakah...it wont be Zakah, it will be Sadakah, and they can do it of course, but that also would mean they still have to pay their Zakah.

Ý hope i was clear in my explanation.

Ýts something like internal social system, made so muslims help one another in the society.

So we pay it according to its conditions, and if we want to pay sadakah, we also can do it and we will be rewarded for that too.