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Thread: Ataturk

6821.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Dec 2007 Mon 06:44 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom:


I absolutely disagree with ff.
Having a working democracy in a country is a process.
But saying that 'some nations need a strong hand' does not have bearings.


then use your imagination and pretend theres no military control.


Military has been the biggest obstacle as far as the political process in turkey is concerned.
We have a parliament, we have a government!!
What? Are you suggesting that simply, country A needs a strong hand, but country B does not?
Then, we should stop arguing and look for a strong hand for Turkey and others which are not developed enough to 'deserve' democracy!
I wont buy that. Sorry!



Thread: Ataturk

6822.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Dec 2007 Mon 06:19 pm

Quoting bod:

Quoting femme_fatal:

they need another ataturk.
some nations needs a strong hand.



Totally agreed


I absolutely disagree with ff.
Having a working democracy in a country is a process.
But saying that 'some nations need a strong hand' does not have bearings.



Thread: AN IMPORTANT NIGHT

6823.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Dec 2007 Mon 05:00 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting white-wolf:

Hmmm, let start neighbors from west:
-Greece : remember "megali idea" or "enosis"? do you remember Greece's last invasion of Asia Minor that checked near to Ankara? Or some Greeks' dream about Constantine and Symirna? Or their huge amount of weapon buyings?
-Bulgaria : their exodus of Turk-Muslim citizens at 1990s?
-Georgia : no threat here.
-Armenia : their dream about "great Armenia" and lost lands? Their unwillingness of erasing constitution paragraphs that demands on Turkish lands? Or their continuing invasion on %20 of Azerbaijan lands. Their hate of Turks?
-Iran : Their dream about exporting "Islam Republic" to Turkey?
-Iraq : N.Iraqi Kurds who dream about a united Kurdistan. Also remeber that crazy Saddam and his army.
-Syria : Still shows Hatay in their maps as a part of Syria. Recent home of Öcalan.
- Cyprus : Guess which country passport Öcalan was carrying when he was caught.

Please remember these are the just Turkey's immediate neighbors. There are others like Russia who demanded Kars and unrestricted access from straits back 1950s.

Then, tell me Turkey is in very peaceful spot of world and does not need huge military readiness.


If there are such serious problems then surely there's no option.... I wish though that Turkey was more peaceful with its neighbors and finalized in peaceful ways all the Cyprus/Kurdish/Armenian/Greek... conflicts. Sometimes I have a feeling like Turkey doesn't really want to do that, but that's my opinion.


Well said catwoman..
That is what our brainwashing does to us unfortunately.
We are all paranoid. It is what is taught in schools what is taught in the army. This idea of 'we have been circled by the enemies' has kind of historical background as well because of WW1, our independence war, all western powers tried to erase Turkish from the map 100 years ago etc.

But now the time is different! The way the wars are fought is different.
We should stop being paranoid first with our neighbors. We should stop thinking that there is going to be a war tomorrow. Otherwise we will never taste the peace!

And about the army. There should be a professional army. It is a huge waste to keep a million young people there and teach nothing and let them do nothing! (btw. reading/writing rate is quite high in turkey right now. So it is not necesssary to teach them how to read and write. Even if it is still the case then pour money to the education then the army!!)
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I should also add this as a quick info that, I think, our problem with racism in Turkey has a lot to do with the army as well.



Thread: Latest News

6824.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Dec 2007 Mon 02:57 pm

Quoting catwoman:

"newbie theory" (new soldiers being harassed by the older ones).


I love your theory..
haha



Thread: Your Horoscopes by Madame AEnigma

6825.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Dec 2007 Mon 12:08 pm

19/06



Thread: Latest News

6826.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Dec 2007 Mon 12:07 pm

I was in Istanbul this weekend and I saw huge preparations for the conference. I saw the advertisements and everything . Everybody is talking about it.
It will be such a shame if it is canceled.



Thread: EU FOOTBALL - CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

6827.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2007 Thu 02:42 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting yilgun-7:

FENERBAHÇE, WORLD CHAMPION


Oh.. I didn't know it was a world cup that they won... :-S


Agrrrrr..
Admin!! Please!!
Catwoman should be deleted.



Thread: EU FOOTBALL - CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

6828.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2007 Thu 02:10 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting ciko:

hey hey CSKA won uefa cup 2 years ago.. they are not so easy team please dont spoil our happy day


I was just joking Ciko, I'm happy for ferenbahce and will gladly join celebrations!



One more belittling : 'ferenbahce'



Thread: EU FOOTBALL - CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

6829.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2007 Thu 02:03 pm

Quoting azade:

Well who can't beat CSKA lol


This is quite offensive.
Nobody has right to belittle fenerbahce!!
Admin or moderator should look at this



Thread: AN IMPORTANT NIGHT

6830.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2007 Thu 02:56 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting zettea:

It is difficult for any of us to understand the fears in a soldiers mind before he has to face the risks he is about to take.


Therefore, they shouldn't be FORCED to do it!!! Geeeeeeezzzzzzz, can't believe how nationalistic and militant you are!!!
Another great thing about not having a huge army and ALL men of the country brainwashed a nationalistic crap is that it forces the government to be more peaceful! What does it say about human species that not only we separate ourselves into groups but also learn early on how to kill other people and that it's an acceptable way of solving problems!


'brainwashing and nationistic crap' is well spotted catwoman.
'breaking free spirit of the young men' should be included up there too.
Look at the young men going to the army and see them later on when they come back. You will see the difference!
20 years old young boys, full of life, energy, all of them are different. See them two months later: They will all look and behave the same. Not full of life anymore, half scared, semi broken. They wont go anywhere without permission. They wont express any ideas, they will just listen and approve.
In Turkey, I always believed, army has a duty to break men's spirits so that they wont become critisising members of the society. They wont rebel agaist the statusquo.
But we know that each statusquo needs critisizing for better. (How you can change the things for better otherwise!)
Apart from all above, there is also the ethical side of being a soldier.
I never ever believed all armies are kept for defence only.







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