I unfortunately have to repeat, you have a lot of cliches about Muslims and Turks in your mind. Some of the broadest minded persons I have ever known were Muslims who regard this religion as a covenant between God and themselves. Islam is not a shallow belief system, it is at least as sophisticated as other religions. There is a strong movement of sufizm for example providing for the philosophical openings of the religion. It takes years to come to grasp of the essence of the sufi school. It is not just something you can judge based on a vague definition. In our country, Kemal Ataturk established a secular republic and its first parliament gave suffrage to women earlier than most European countries. This happened in a muslim country.
If you are unhappy with the Turkish minority in your country, you are welcome to sign up with a radical right wing party and pave the path for ousting those people. We did not buy their tickets 50 years ago so we don´t care about them today. They are in a different country, striving to become a part of it. They often don´t even speak Turkish (talking about the third generation) and usually waiver from their turkish citizenship since they don´t want to fulfill their military service in a country they only know through their parents. By and large, it is your problem.
It is of course, not normal, boasting of your alcohol consumption, support for the gays, and post-modern ways. Just by saying them you prove you don´t know the first thing about life in big cities. Day in day out, we are sharing life with males and females who do all sorts of jobs from truck driving to delivery services. You may regret being entitled to a lesser salary the European style, but in Turkey both sexes are offered the same amount of salaries. This is also true for the military. We have had a female prime minister again earlier than many European countries. To cut it short, we are happy with our lives.
When there was a war in Iraq our government opened the doors for the Kurdish refugees and if my memory is not fooling me some 300.000 of them flooded into our borders. No European country is doing this. Greek and Italian war boats actually drive African refugees back to international waters.
In the 80´s and 90´s, so many political (mostly Kurdish) refugees emigrated to Sweden, Germany and Holland. At that time, the governments in those countries were playing a political game. Now they have a drug traffic problem... Many of those people were wanted by the Turkish police. For example:
"Fehriye Erdal is a female terrorist of Kurdish descent from Turkey. She was one of the three DHKP-C members involved in the assassination of a Turkish businessman, Ozdemir Sabanci and two of his employees on January 9, 1996 in Istanbul, Turkey. In 1999, she was captured in Belgium.[1] At the time of her arrest, she held a fake passport under the name Nese Yildirim. Belgian officials were able to identify her only after her fingerprints were taken. In 2006, a couple of hours before her sentence was announced and in spite of being under 24-hour surveillance of the Belgian Secret Service, she managed to flee.[2] She was to be sentenced to a four-year imprisonment in Belgium for the crimes she had committed in that country.[3] She would later be handed over to Turkey in order to be tried for her involvement in terrorist activities within the borders of the Turkish Republic. Since her escape, Interpol has issued a red bulletin for Fehriye Erdal sending a message to its 186 member countries that she is to be captured and returned to Belgium.[4] Although there have been reports that she has been seen in Cyprus and Jordan, there is no solid information on her whereabouts."
Source: Wikipedia.
P.S. Turkish government did everything to get this fugitive back from Belgium. The Belgian government came up with excuses all the time. She mysteriously disappeared. Many other people mysteriously disappeared. Kurdish terrorist Apo was arranged passports by the Greek authorities.
Before complaining of the minorities in your country think about this: would your government allow anything that that would not be to their benefit? As a matter of fact, they can clean the country from illegals if they want to. But who knows who is making money from where and through what association. This is alway the reason why simple problems cannot be solved.
As for your claim about tolerant Europeans permitting mosques in their countries. Well, in Athens, there are no mosques. All of them have been destroyed or converted. In Bulgaria,many mosques are being used as stables. All around Europe, there is an unearthly racist awareness. As Alameda explained earlier, there is a similar kind of awareness in the US too. I would not want to offend anyone here but I geniunely think this awareness think is hard coded into your culture. We can talk about a Balkan style ethnic awareness, Italian, Spain and France form another group, there are central and European countries that make up the third group.
Reading is not your best quality, is it? I never said ALL Christians believe Jesus is the son of God. I mentioned a variety in Christianity and I said that millions do believe he is the son. You are - again, as usual - jumping to conclusions.
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