Daydreamer, we have a Polish village in Istanbul. The village is populated bt those who escaped from a war and sought asylum in the Ottoman Empire. The sultan granted them a village which happens to be located in one of the enviable parts of modern day Istanbul. These people did not change a bit since the first day.
They observe the basic duties of citizenship in Turkey and continue to live on the way they learned from their ancestors. They are obviously Christian and therefore strangers in this newfoundland. We Turks are happy to eat at the restaurants and learn about the Polish customs they have preserved over centuries. Asking those people to become Turkish would mean oppressing them. I personally don´t want any non-Turkish person within this society to become a Turk eventually. There are Russians, Japanese, British and American people living their lives the way they want to. African Turks who have gained citizenship have not become Turkish at all. They are still African complete with their traditions and music and they are way nicer this way. What you are singing praises for is a misconception common among the citizens of richer countries. It is what the black population in America remembers with awe and hatred. Everybody wants to hold on to their cultures and everybody has a right to do so.
As for some Arabic or Turkish types chasing their women in the streets calling them "whores". Well, I am sure there is a law paragraph covering this in this country and that person really belongs in a prison rather than the streets. Aren´t there any Dutchmen out there molesting women and therefore deserving punishment. How come do you expect these people to be as educated as you are when they obviously lack any sort of education. The ethnic paranthesis there is just serves the purpose of putting the blame on cultures. These people would indeed be problems in their own countries too.
I don´t have much time but I couldn´t fail to congratulate Trudy on her post. You really hit the nail on the head, and I´m saying it as a person on the other side of barricade - the immigrant.
I´ve always found it obvious that when you decide to live in a foreign country, it is you who should adjust yourself to that country rules,not the other way around. Immigrants, especially those from other cultures, tend to forget that they chose to live there, they weren´t forced to, so they should have known what to expect. Plus, governments of European countries do a lot to make the adjustment process easier and do not limit immigrants in carrying out the practices that do not stand in opposition to the law.
one more time, thank you, Cloggie 
Edited (6/5/2009) by vineyards
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