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Edilgen ve Ettirgen ,Passive,and.....?
1.       CANLI
5084 posts 		 02 Dec 2006 Sat 10:48 pm

Merhaba arkadaşlar,
What is the difference between Ettirgen ve Edilgen in meaning and in usage ?

2.       uzeyir
268 posts 		 03 Dec 2006 Sun 12:03 am

Active and Passive

O çocuk camı kırdı : That boy broke the window.Ettirgen

Cam o çocuk tarafından kırıldı : The window was broken by that boy.Edilgen

Ettirgen=Subject+Object+Verb

Edilgen=Object+Subject+Verb

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3.       CANLI
5084 posts 		 03 Dec 2006 Sun 12:24 am

Yes,but Ettirgen is different,

O çocuk camı kırıttı.... Ettirgen
O çocuk camı kırdı.....Etken
Cam o çocuk tarafından kırıldı....Edilgen

Doğru mu ?
So what is the difference in meaning ?

4.       aslan2
507 posts 		 03 Dec 2006 Sun 09:42 am

Quoting CANLI:

Yes,but Ettirgen is different,

O çocuk camı kırıttı.... Ettirgen
O çocuk camı kırdı.....Etken
Cam o çocuk tarafından kırıldı....Edilgen

Doğru mu ?
So what is the difference in meaning ?


Actually ettirgen is causative.
Active = Etken
Passive = Edilgen
causative = Ettirgen

Etken can be transitive or intransitive. Ettirgen is always transitive.

Etken:
Durdum = I stopped (intr)
Gördüm = I saw it (tr)

Edilgen:
Durduruldum = I was stopped (Something/somebody stopped me)
Görüldüm = I was seen (somebody saw me)

Ettirgen:
Durdurdum = I stopped it (I made it stop).
Gördürdüm = I made him/her see it

Ettirilgen (passive of "ettirgen"):
Durdurtuldum = I was made stop it (somebody made me stop it)
Gördürüldüm = I was made see it (somebody made me see it)

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