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Article 301
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03 May 2008 Sat 01:01 am |
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and so pity to olders using or washing younger's brains
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03 May 2008 Sat 01:04 am |
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You are most definitely right
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 01:31 am |
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This article isn't really anything fundamentally different from what has been passed in the US under the infamous Ptariot Act, or its derivatives in Britain, Italy, france, Spain, etc as well as the rest of the world pretty much.
I don't know if people realize this or not, but there is a general trend in the world as a whole, not just nationally, as in isolated cases such as this one, but in a more pervasive way, a disturbing trend in the rise of deaths resulting from police brutality, governments confining people indefinetely without any charges, police kicking down doors without warrants in the name of national security etc etc.
Every country is rather slowly and under the covers turning into a softcore fascist police-state. The WTO protests, the police brutality, the Brazilian who was killed by the British police in London, the Polish immigrant tasered to death by Canadian airport police are only some of the examples of rising authoritarianism all across the globe.
I personally think that the world has gone to shits already.
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 01:57 am |
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Quoting cynicmystic: This article isn't really anything fundamentally different from what has been passed in the US under the infamous Ptariot Act, or its derivatives in Britain, Italy, france, Spain, etc as well as the rest of the world pretty much.
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I am copying my writing from an earlier post ragarding this. Becasue what you are stating above is not true!
That article, the way it has been implemented in Turkey is a SHAME for every Turk.
That law has been working for making the hit list for ultra nationalists in Turkey. It was ambiguous, confusing, open to interptretation, cloudy, vague.
The prosecuters were following all the intellects and what they were saying in order to find something to bring the court cases. And they were thinking of 'saving the honour of the nation' when they were doing their patriotic jobs.
Of course, some politicians say that 'ah they have the same
in europen countries'.
Well..It is not entirely true.
I quite like know how many court cases opened against its intellects in half way decent europen countries for insulting 'britishness/germanness/polishness etc'.
We should have changed those anti democratic laws (many from the army times from 1983) by ourselves.
Those changes are necessary for us , for Turkish people primarily. Not for Europeans!!
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 02:01 am |
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Yes, I completely agree that the law is a shame.
It is also unconstitutional, and yet part of the constitution.
The worrying trend is that this situation is happening all over the world.
People often forget that fascism was thriving only 60 years ago. Blacks couln't get a haircut at the same barber as whites only 50 years ago.
It worries me very much that the world is slowly turning into a police state. Authocratic and ruthless. It sucks.
Quoting thehandsom: Quoting cynicmystic: This article isn't really anything fundamentally different from what has been passed in the US under the infamous Ptariot Act, or its derivatives in Britain, Italy, france, Spain, etc as well as the rest of the world pretty much.
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I am copying my writing from an earlier post ragarding this. Becasue what you are stating above is not true!
That article, the way it has been implemented in Turkey is a SHAME for every Turk.
That law has been working for making the hit list for ultra nationalists in Turkey. It was ambiguous, confusing, open to interptretation, cloudy, vague.
The prosecuters were following all the intellects and what they were saying in order to find something to bring the court cases. And they were thinking of 'saving the honour of the nation' when they were doing their patriotic jobs.
Of course, some politicians say that 'ah they have the same
in europen countries'.
Well..It is not entirely true.
I quite like know how many court cases opened against its intellects in half way decent europen countries for insulting 'britishness/germanness/polishness etc'.
We should have changed those anti democratic laws (many from the army times from 1983) by ourselves.
Those changes are necessary for us , for Turkish people primarily. Not for Europeans!! |
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13 Jun 2008 Fri 04:51 am |
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Quoting cynicmystic: Yes, I completely agree that the law is a shame.
It is also unconstitutional, and yet part of the constitution.
The worrying trend is that this situation is happening all over the world.
People often forget that fascism was thriving only 60 years ago. Blacks couln't get a haircut at the same barber as whites only 50 years ago.
It worries me very much that the world is slowly turning into a police state. Authocratic and ruthless. It sucks. |
Although the Turkish version of police state and nationalism is much stronger then what exists in the rest of Europe right now, I completely agree with you that the world is moving towards fascism and dictatorship. This is the result of 9/11 and the global "war on terror". Governments are using the situation to tighten their control over people and limit democracy. All the extra "security" is a joke in terms of combating terrorism, they have nothing to do with real terrorism.
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