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Veiled Muslim woman denied French citizenship
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 01:13 am

amid concerns over her 'radical' religious views.

Is a burqa incompatible with French nationality?

France has denied citizenship to a veiled Moroccan woman on the grounds that her 'radical' Islam is incompatible with French values, a legal ruling revealed.

The case will re-ignite debate about how to reconcile religious freedom with other rights, which many in France feel are being challenged by the way of life of some Muslims.

Le Monde newspaper said it is the first time a Muslim applicant had been rejected because of personal religious practice.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1034412/Veiled-Muslim-woman-denied-French-citizenship-amid-concerns-radical-religious-views.html



2.       Cacık
296 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 10:46 am

Perhaps when the Islamic world also offer the same freedom for practitioners of other faiths to enter their countries and live without fear of persecution, then the scales will be balanced all over the world, and more tolerance will be born.

3.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 11:55 am

Quoting Cacık:

Perhaps when the Islamic world also offer the same freedom for practitioners of other faiths to enter their countries and live without fear of persecution, then the scales will be balanced all over the world, and more tolerance will be born.




what is the "Islamic World".

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 12:08 pm

Quoting tamikidakika:

Quoting Cacık:

Perhaps when the Islamic world also offer the same freedom for practitioners of other faiths to enter their countries and live without fear of persecution, then the scales will be balanced all over the world, and more tolerance will be born.




what is the "Islamic World".


She is right Tamikidakika.
You can not say Islamic countries are letting people easily practice other faiths.
Even in Turkey, look at what happened in Malatya, Look at what happened in Trabzon, look at the news about missionaries..

5.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 01:58 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting tamikidakika:

Quoting Cacık:

Perhaps when the Islamic world also offer the same freedom for practitioners of other faiths to enter their countries and live without fear of persecution, then the scales will be balanced all over the world, and more tolerance will be born.




what is the "Islamic World".


She is right Tamikidakika.
You can not say Islamic countries are letting people easily practice other faiths.
Even in Turkey, look at what happened in Malatya, Look at what happened in Trabzon, look at the news about missionaries..



I just asked what is meant by the "Islamic world". As far as I know Turkey is a secular country. If you are so uneasy about what happened in Malatya, why do you praise AKP constantly, or again was it yet another job of Ergenekon, the 600 years old evil?

6.       Cacık
296 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 02:36 pm

Perhaps I should have used the phrase all countries where Islam is at least 95% of the practiced religion. That is what I meant by Islamic world - sorry if I confused you or offended you Tamikidakika. In many of these countries, other faith followers seem to be subject to much persecution. Whereas in Europe many muslims are living quite freely and yes there IS religious racial attacks on them sometimes, but these are seen as crimes and where possible - punished. But IMHO they do still have religious freedom, there are Muslim politians in Parliment and in the House of Lords, Muslim police, Muslim religious education teachers in mainstream schools, Halil foods in all supermarkets, many mosques have been built and universities have Muslim centres and active communities etc...

My point was, in countries where Islam is at least 95% of the practice religion, other faith followers are often persecuted much more and in some cases violently and have hardly any of the above points, Christian or Jew Councils, Christian religion teachers, etc.... Perhaps if there wasn't so much violence or suppression towards other faith followers and lack of freedom for these followers in 95% Muslim countries, then non-Muslim countries would feel more comfortable with accepting more.

I think many Europeans would feel they have done much to be accepting so far, but now still see no counter-freedom on the other end, therefore, people seem to be becoming more unaccepting.

I am most certainly not claiming the be right here at all. Only trying to explain my point that's all.

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 02:42 pm

I think that not only is there a problem with Islamic countries, but also with the Muslim communities in the West. These people move to western countries and join radical groups that preach hatred of the West, stage terrorist attacks, don't accept mixing with westerners, look down on them... Not all Muslims, but many! Enough for it to be a political and social problem.

8.       CANLI
5084 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 03:06 pm

Quoting Cacık:





İ dont know which countries you are referring to Cacık,as you may know the freedom of practicing own religion is given in İslam
We have about %10 Christians in my country and you would find in almost every area there is a Church between the mosques
There are Christians schools along with regular public schools which of course they can attend if they want,shops where to sell pork,bakeries selling fast food for the Christians for their big fast 'sry i dont know its name they call it here big fast'

İ just wonder if the news was 'Christian woman denied Saudi Arabia citizenship'
What the comments would be ?!

9.       Cacık
296 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 04:04 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Cacık:





İ dont know which countries you are referring to Cacık,as you may know the freedom of practicing own religion is given in İslam
We have about %10 Christians in my country and you would find in almost every area there is a Church between the mosques
There are Christians schools along with regular public schools which of course they can attend if they want,shops where to sell pork,bakeries selling fast food for the Christians for their big fast 'sry i dont know its name they call it here big fast'

İ just wonder if the news was 'Christian woman denied Saudi Arabia citizenship'
What the comments would be ?!



I have been living here in Turkey for years and years.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you that "there is a Church between the mosque" - that makes it sound as if there are an equal number, which is an overstatement. There are about 30 churches in Istanbul that I can research on the net. Also according to Turkish national statistics, 98% of Turkey is Muslim. Which leaves only 2% for other practising faiths including Judaism and Christianity. Also I would suggest that there are less that 10 Christian schools in Istanbul alone. When I refer to Christian schools I really mean Christian schools, all teachers are Christian for example. Not colleges like Robert College that although set up by Americans is not a Christian College as it teaches the regular National Diploma system which is taught all over Turkey.

When you consider a city of 15 million, 30 Churches and less that 10 Christian schools is a tiny figure. I can think of 30 mosques in just Uskudar or in just Florya alone.

The fast you refer to is the Catholic time of Lent. It is a fast of 40 days leading up to Easter.

I do know that you have "some" religious freedom in Islam with regards to non-islamic faith, but the sad fact is in the majority of countries with Islam as the majority faith, it is not so well tolerated *socially* - the law may say so, but often people do not.

But I do think Turkey is the MOST tolerant of ALL these countries. Without a doubt I believe this. But I still feel it could be freer here.

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Jul 2008 Tue 04:11 pm

Quoting Cacık:



I do know that you have "some" religious freedom in Islam with regards to non-islamic faith, but the sad fact is in the majority of countries with Islam as the majority faith, it is not so well tolerated *socially* - the law may say so, but often people do not.

But I do think Turkey is the MOST tolerant of ALL these countries. Without a doubt I believe this. But I still feel it could be freer here.


This post is "the moral of the day"..

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