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1.       doudi94
845 posts
 24 Aug 2008 Sun 08:47 pm

i know this is kinda old, but im happy that the turkish diyanet mentioned it ( i hope theyre trying to end it!!)


yeah i only wish that the people who think honor killing is a part of religion, reda this (im sure though there arent any on this site



Human rights, and more specifically the rights of women, which make up a large part of human rights, is not a matter that has newly appeared on the agenda. The fact that as a human being one is entitled to certain fundamental rights is one of the basic values that make up the message encapsulated in Islam. In Islam, the right of humans, who are all seen as honorable creations worthy of respect, to live among others enjoying all the same basic rights is seen to be immutable, entrusted to us by God.

It is a not only a religious duty, but also our duty as human beings, to take advantage of the universal message and basic teachings of Islam in order to help prevent violations of basic human rights in society and to inform others of the same, striving to prevent all examples of such negative behavior in our society.

The so-called “moral” or “honor” killing is only one of the problems faced by the women in our country. There are many more problems faced by women, be they in Turkey or in Western Europe. These problems do not arise from a religious source; they are caused by social, cultural, economic reasons, in addition to their being historical or geographical factors at play. A large factor that plays a role in the “honor” killings is the patriarchal attitude that brings the rights and property of men to the fore. This perception, which does not place a true human value on women, sees them, from the time they are born, as being inferior to men and as being a different being altogether. The Qur’an, as well as acquainting us with He who created men and women as separate but equal individuals, also openly condemns such a perception (Nahl 16: 58-59; Zukhruf 43: 17-18; Takwir 81: 8-9)

The fact that fourteen centuries after the Qur’an was revealed to us women still face discrimination, a matter that was censured by Almighty God, is saddening and thought provoking. Can we say that as parents we follow the example of Prophet Muhammad? He was an extremely interested, tender and merciful father to his daughters. He never tolerated any one to beat, forcefully marry or denigrate women or young girls. He gave the glad tidings that fathers who educate their daughters gain Paradise.

Despite all the warnings found in the Qur’an and the examples set by Prophet Muhammad, the education and development of girls and women at the start of the 21st century imposes on us all a myriad of responsibilities. Perhaps the most distressing aspects of this problem that needs to be focused on here is the negative concepts created by a section of society where a patriarchal attitude rules, concepts such as the “honor” killings of wives and daughters, domestic violence, and educational and sexual discrimination.

Although the concept of “good name”, a concept in which is included ideas such as “chastity” or “honor”, actually has a much wider scope, taking in a person’s thoughts, intentions and all their actions, it has become limited to the physicality of a woman and set in a much narrower frame. To see this concept as only referring to women feeds another misconception that has been created by the mentality and traditions of society.

Almighty God has not just given us life and death; He has also bestowed rights on human life. The rights of humans are more important and take precedence over all other rights. Individuals, independent of official or legal bodies, do not have the authority to judge or punish. If a crime has been committed, a person only has the right to take legal recourse in order to make a complaint or to seek restitution. No family’s mores can be seen as being above the law of the land. In no way can such crimes be justified with religion; they cannot be legalized. People who commit such murders are seen to be guilty both in the eyes of society and according to Islam as taught to us by God.

2.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 01 Sep 2008 Mon 10:58 pm

Three teenagers buried alive in Pakistan ´honour killing

PAKISTAN: THREE TEENAGE girls have been buried alive by their tribe in a remote part of Pakistan to punish them for attempting to choose their own husbands, in an "honour" killing case.

After news of the deaths emerged, male politicians from their province Balochistan defended the killings in parliament, claiming the practice was part of "our tribal custom".

The girls, thought to have been aged between 16 and 18, were kidnapped by a group of men from their Umrani tribe.

They were driven to a rural area and then injured by being shot. Then, while still alive, they were dragged bleeding to a pit, where they were covered with earth and stones, according to the findings of Human Rights Watch, the international campaigning group.



3.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 11:32 pm

Father, brothers shoot girl in court

LAHORE: A 17-year-old girl was shot dead by her brothers and father while in police custody in Sahiwal on Wednesday. According to Dawn News, Sara alias Nusrat Bibi had appeared in the Sahiwal Sessions Court to seek the dissolution of her marriage. She was married in 2001 when she was just a 9-year-old. However, she had subsequently filed a petition in the court seeking to dissolve her marriage, against the will of her brothers and father. The court had given the decision in her favour. Her brothers and father shot and killed her as she left the courtroom.



4.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 11:42 pm

Baloch girls were killed with blunt weapons: autopsy report


Dr Shameem Mishwani said that both the bodies were buried in a two-feet deep ditch far from their home and their broken skulls and ribs showed that they were badly tortured and hit in the heads with a rod or a stone, which probably caused their deaths, APP reported.



5.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 11:23 am

ZZ, please don´t forget to add your personal comment

6.       lady in red
6947 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 12:42 pm


Quoting peacetrain

ZZ, please don´t forget to add your personal comment


Are you going to bring this up in every thread - because it´s getting rather boring and I also feel it is aimed at me for suggesting a personal comment could be added to a post of Roswitha´s.

Forum Rule 12 states: ´Any message with more than a few sentences copied from another source must give the source with the copied text. Excessive copying from other sources must be avoided. Instead of pasting a whole article please post a link to the article and your thoughts about it in a few sentences.´  I didn´t make that up. 

Personally I think that it might sometimes be difficult for a person to post his/her own thoughts in a few sentences - maybe the subject matter is not particularly debatable but merely a news item they think will be of interest to other members.  But, sometimes these articles can appear to be the personal experiences of the poster - until you get to the end of and find it is an article from Todays Zaman or some other paper.  In these instances I, personally, think that the poster should preface the article with the comment that it is copied from a newspaper.


NB - Please note that this last paragraph is my personal comment and does not necessarily represent the views of the site.



7.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 12:48 pm


Quoting lady in red

Are you going to bring this up in every thread - because it´s getting rather boring and I also feel it is aimed at me for suggesting a personal comment could be added to a post of Roswitha´s.



 Apologies if you thought I was aiming it at you LIR. I really wasn´t.  As you know I also believe people should add their personal comments. 


I was making a light hearted remark in order to reinforce my recent comment to GG about the fact that Ros is not the only one who doesn´t post a comment with her articles. 

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