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70.       MrX67
2540 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 03:03 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

Let´s take everyone´s earnings and redistribute it to everyone equally.  Whether you work 60 hours a week or decide to be a couch potato...wow that´s logic for you.{#lang_emotions_you_crazy}  Using this same logic, I could then come into your house and basically take what I want.  What´s yours is mine and what´s mine is yours.{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}  Nice...

 

 such an extrem looking way,but i think you get the meanings totally wrong??Noone didn´t want anything without working or stealing other one´s earnings or wealth,just need more usefull social and economical policies for make less differences or need a new ethical or moral self critisms while sharing to national and international incomes...working hard to producing more and sharing it justical and ethical,isn´t that what we need?

71.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 03:38 pm

This is an experience for the capitalism.

I think capitalism needs a new organisation, a new and social shape, a philosophical approach and a new change.

72.       teaschip
3870 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 04:21 pm

 

Quoting MrX67

 such an extrem looking way,but i think you get the meanings totally wrong??Noone didn´t want anything without working or stealing other one´s earnings or wealth,just need more usefull social and economical policies for make less differences or need a new ethical or moral self critisms while sharing to national and international incomes...working hard to producing more and sharing it justical and ethical,isn´t that what we need?

 

 MRX, you are asking then for people to change their behavior, it has proven over time this doesn´t work.  People are driven by incentives...this has always been the better way to motivate people. I believe we need to reward for success and penalize for failure.  We even display this behavior in our homes.  When our kids get good grades we praise, when they fail a subject we discpline.  If you take away incentives, who would strive to be the best they could. What would motivate me to work hard or even work at all, if the theory is to share equally?  In a perfect world political and ecomonic systems would be irrevelant.  Unfortuantely, we don´t live in a perfect world.  Centralized planning has never worked and never will.

73.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 05:00 pm

Dear Ciko and MrX67,


Call me cynical, but these are my thoughts regarding your objection to capitalism.  Your objection is the unfair distribution of wealth and money.  This is understandable – you were born to a country that does not have economic domination.  I understand this and agree.  You feel like a poor relation and feel hate to those wealthy countries and injustice when you see people starving in Africa.  We all do.


 


However, don’t embellish your objection by pretending you are humanists.  We have a saying that “charity begins at home”.  If you were truly humanists you would choose to live in a simple shelter, eat basic food and do without your cell phones and internet and your nice clothes.  You would ALREADY be giving any  excess wealth to the poor and needy.  Instead you walk past poor people every day and do nothing to help them.


 


I wonder how many of you “humanists” would be if Turkey had economic domination in the world?  Do I think you would do things differently?  No.  You probably don’t even realise it yourselves, but you just resent another country’s power.  As I said before, it is about men and power - if it was about humanism then Africa would be helped by the money sent by you eh? It is natural and normal, but don’t preach humanism at me until you can show me that you give up your nice comfortable lives to help others around you.

74.       MrX67
2540 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 06:04 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 MRX, you are asking then for people to change their behavior, it has proven over time this doesn´t work.  People are driven by incentives...this has always been the better way to motivate people. I believe we need to reward for success and penalize for failure.  We even display this behavior in our homes.  When our kids get good grades we praise, when they fail a subject we discpline.  If you take away incentives, who would strive to be the best they could. What would motivate me to work hard or even work at all, if the theory is to share equally?  In a perfect world political and ecomonic systems would be irrevelant.  Unfortuantely, we don´t live in a perfect world.  Centralized planning has never worked and never will.

 

 Dear teaschip,who can deny certain rules of a more productive and healthy economy´s rules??Sure must be incentives and penalizes,and who can defend idleness or laziness.But i want to replay it again thats never a location or system problem,thats all about mentality.Sure to be more powerfull one of basic behaviour of human nature,but till where ,must be some borders of it,for create  more peacfull tomorrows.We travelling on same boat,and goverments have to creat  better conditions for everyone for a safe journey by the helps of who taking biggest part of cake...

75.       MrX67
2540 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 06:13 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Dear Ciko and MrX67,

Call me cynical, but these are my thoughts regarding your objection to capitalism.  Your objection is the unfair distribution of wealth and money.  This is understandable – you were born to a country that does not have economic domination.  I understand this and agree.  You feel like a poor relation and feel hate to those wealthy countries and injustice when you see people starving in Africa.  We all do.

 

However, don’t embellish your objection by pretending you are humanists.  We have a saying that “charity begins at home”.  If you were truly humanists you would choose to live in a simple shelter, eat basic food and do without your cell phones and internet and your nice clothes.  You would ALREADY be giving any  excess wealth to the poor and needy.  Instead you walk past poor people every day and do nothing to help them.

 

I wonder how many of you “humanists” would be if Turkey had economic domination in the world?  Do I think you would do things differently?  No.  You probably don’t even realise it yourselves, but you just resent another country’s power.  As I said before, it is about men and power - if it was about humanism then Africa would be helped by the money sent by you eh? It is natural and normal, but don’t preach humanism at me until you can show me that you give up your nice comfortable lives to help others around you.

 i like richeness and i´m never enemy of wealth or wealth countries,i just trying to talk about virtue of to be more sharing

 

76.       lemon
1374 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 06:40 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

How much money do you give to charity each month?

 

 Politically incorrect question actually.

77.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 06:56 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 Politically incorrect question actually.

 

 Actually it was not.  I was talking about percentage of money.  If you can afford internet, you have enough money to give a little away, instead of preaching about humanity.

78.       lemon
1374 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 07:07 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Actually it was not.  I was talking about percentage of money.  If you can afford internet, you have enough money to give a little away, instead of preaching about humanity.

 

 I meant that this is a type of question you will never get an answer. And you know it well.

It is convinient  to blame you for the starving children in Africa that is for I have an Internet at home that I pay for

79.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 23 Nov 2008 Sun 05:50 pm

According to some economists:

Maybe it is an economic game,  an excuse;  there is no financial crisis, who knows?

Because economic growth is good in the world.

 

80.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 23 Nov 2008 Sun 06:25 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

According to some economists:

Maybe it is an economic game,  an excuse;  there is no financial crisis, who knows?

Because economic growth is good in the world.

 

 Dont tell me..... another conspiracy theory?

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