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Clash of civilizations or It is just killing people?
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100.       femmeous
2642 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 06:22 pm

 

Quoting admin

Ok, read it more carefully this time:

ok, im reading it carefully as i did previously.

 

We don´t have claims to have freedom to express all opinions on this site. There are limitations well documented on the site rules that you accepted while creating your account.

sounds fine to me although i disagree with some of them. i too can say on the basis of what you wrote: when you decided to live in a country you too accepted its rules and regulations.

If you think your ideas are not respected/they are deleted here you are welcome to go to some other site to write those or start your own site with all of your valuable opinions if you will.

1. i havent complained about my ideas arent respected,

2. i dont expect anyone to agree or accept all my ideas.

3. i complained about all deleted posts not only mine.

4. catwoman too breakes the rules of this site but her posts never get deleted.

im sure i can go to any other site i wish, thats not a problem, at least theres no limited access to the internet. but in this case i too can say that if you think that your rights arent respected or limited you too are welcome to go to another country and enjoy your valuable rights. am i right?

thank you for complementing my opinions - they are valuable.

This has nothing to do with criticising a government for its limiting freedom of speech and manipulating its media. 

well, i could see the similiarities.

 

 

101.       femmeous
2642 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 06:23 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 +3

 

 why 3? did you become a trinity?

102.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 06:43 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 You can not talk about the freedom of speech about religion, because it was not only condemned by Turkey but by the whole Muslim countries and societies all around the world.. And I think you can not keep Turkey responsible for it.  So it does not make a good example..

 

And please after Guantanamo Bay prisoners, - how they are treated and why are they there -, let´s not praise America, the land of freedom..  we have seen quite enough recently what they did about Gaza.. and i don´t think America is a dream country anymore... at least definitely not for me.

 

And it should have been condemned so thumbs up to those who did that. And I´m not blaming Turkey for that, where did you read it in my post? I was just pointing out how freedom of speech is not respected. How about Pamuk and his right to openly express his ideas (whatever others think of them)? How about anti-Pkk trip of Turkish army to a foreign country and voiced objection?

 

What do Guantamo Bay prisoners have to do with freedom of speech? {#lang_emotions_unsure} Have there been any charges against those who talk openly about how those prisoners are kept? Sorry, I must have missed that.

 

Finally, where was I praising the US? I just said according to what I read and hear that you´re freer to express your opinion in the US than in many other countries, including Turkey. I´m not making it a who´s right and who´s wrong in their ideas, I´m just saying that if you don´t like what your country does, you should be free to say that, publish it and even paint your house in anti-government slogans.

 

Freedom of speech should also concern religions or, I should rather say, go beyond religions. Just as everyone should have free choice of what s/he wants to believe in, they shouldn´t face consequences by saying why they find other religions ridiculous. Don´t you agree?

103.       alameda
3499 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 07:31 pm

The face of vengance is hideous.

 

In looking up the word vengance in Google, I came across this episode of Xena, Warrior Princess....food for thought?

 

Becoming a Monster

104.       Merih
933 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 08:13 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

And it should have been condemned so thumbs up to those who did that. And I´m not blaming Turkey for that, where did you read it in my post?

Well, you were referring how we don´t have freedom of speech, and I said it is not a good example.

I was just pointing out how freedom of speech is not respected. How about Pamuk and his right to openly express his ideas (whatever others think of them)? How about anti-Pkk trip of Turkish army to a foreign country and voiced objection?  I am not saying Turkey is great, I am not saying there is a great freedom of speech in Turkey.

 

What do Guantamo Bay prisoners have to do with freedom of speech? {#lang_emotions_unsure} Have there been any charges against those who talk openly about how those prisoners are kept? Sorry, I must have missed that.  How did those guys went in there in the first place?????

 

Finally, where was I praising the US? I just said according to what I read and hear that you´re freer to express your opinion in the US than in many other countries, including Turkey. I´m not making it a who´s right and who´s wrong in their ideas, I´m just saying that if you don´t like what your country does, you should be free to say that, publish it and even paint your house in anti-government slogans.

 

Yes, you should be free, but you are not, nowhere in the whole world.  I am sorry, but I most of the times see things as black or white, I don´ sort them from light grey to dark grey.  For me freedom of speech is freedom of speech, no exceptions.  And all I am saying is that people should stop pointing fingers to Turkey because they don´t have it either.

 

Freedom of speech should also concern religions or, I should rather say, go beyond religions. Just as everyone should have free choice of what s/he wants to believe in, they shouldn´t face consequences by saying why they find other religions ridiculous. Don´t you agree?

I don´t agree with you, because every freedom is limited by the other person´s freedom, and some things in this life should stay sacred and respected.  You may not like what religion says, you can discuss every fact openly, but why do you insult a sacred personality?  I am sorry but I don´t call it freedom of speech but rather disrespectful and unacceptable speech.

And I am not angry or stressed.. Chill{#lang_emotions_alcoholics}

 

 

105.       Merih
933 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 08:15 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 why 3? did you become a trinity?

 

 No, it was just a 3 point shot... {#lang_emotions_lol}

106.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 08:21 pm

Angry or stressed? Ahm...must be my browser as I don´t see anything about you being angry or stressed lol and neither am I for that matter lol

 

Sure there´s no perfect place on earth with unlimited freedom of speech, still, I´ll hold to my opinion that the US provides more of it than Turkey.

 

As for making fun of other people´s saints, I disagree. There´s not one single reason for me to do that. I respect people that I know and I respect their right to respect whatever they want. At the same time, I´d love to keep my right to laugh at funny pictures of Jesus, Mary, Muhamet and whoever else there is.

 

If somebody is persecuted for what they believe in, I´ll stand by them defending their right to do that, but it doesn´t mean I must agree with those beliefs.

107.       Merih
933 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 08:29 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Angry or stressed? Ahm...must be my browser as I don´t see anything about you being angry or stressed lol and neither am I for that matter lol

 

Sure there´s no perfect place on earth with unlimited freedom of speech, still, I´ll hold to my opinion that the US provides more of it than Turkey.

 

As for making fun of other people´s saints, I disagree. There´s not one single reason for me to do that. I respect people that I know and I respect their right to respect whatever they want. At the same time, I´d love to keep my right to laugh at funny pictures of Jesus, Mary, Muhamet and whoever else there is.

 

If somebody is persecuted for what they believe in, I´ll stand by them defending their right to do that, but it doesn´t mean I must agree with those beliefs.

 

 I still don´t agree with the last part of your statement.  For ezample I respect my mum and dad, and some ignorant goes and makes up smt. funny about them, and everybody has a good laugh.. I am sorry but I won´t like it, because they are precious to me. 

108.       admin
758 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 08:38 pm

>> when you decided to live in a country you too accepted its rules and regulations.

 

Only "when you decide", which is a very very small minority of the population in all countries.

 

>> but in this case i too can say that if you think that your rights arent respected or limited you too are welcome to go to another country and enjoy your valuable rights. am i right?

 

No, you are not right. Going to another country,  getting permanent residentship, working rights and citizenship is in no way similar to visiting a website.

109.       femmeous
2642 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 08:50 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 I still don´t agree with the last part of your statement.  For ezample I respect my mum and dad, and some ignorant goes and makes up smt. funny about them, and everybody has a good laugh.. I am sorry but I won´t like it, because they are precious to me. 

 

 your parents are your parents, nobody else has a duty to respect them the way you respect them. you should learn to take things easy.

110.       femmeous
2642 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 08:51 pm

 i finally have waken up the sleeping prince.

Quoting admin

>> when you decided to live in a country you too accepted its rules and regulations.

 

Only "when you decide", which is a very very small minority of the population in all countries.

 

>> but in this case i too can say that if you think that your rights arent respected or limited you too are welcome to go to another country and enjoy your valuable rights. am i right?

 

No, you are not right. Going to another country,  getting permanent residentship, working rights and citizenship is in no way similar to visiting a website.

 

 

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