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Armenian Intellectuals Issue Apology For The Turkish Genocide
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1.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 05:55 am

Armenian intellectuals to launch counter-apology campaign

 

Armenian intellectuals are preparing to launch a campaign to apologize for the killings of Turks by Armenian gangs and the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) during the final years of the Ottoman Empire.

 

An academic and the co-chairman of the Turkish-Armenian Dialogue Group, Armen Gakavian, who talked to the Radikal daily yesterday about the apology initiative, said the group of Armenian intellectuals was opposing any kind of violence committed in the past.

 

"I apologize to the Ottomans and Turks for the murders committed in the name of the Armenian public and share the feelings of innocent Ottomans and Turks who feel pain over this," reads the text of the Armenian intellectuals´ apology campaign.

 


http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=165741


2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 04:05 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

Armenian intellectuals to launch counter-apology campaign

 

Armenian intellectuals are preparing to launch a campaign to apologize for the killings of Turks by Armenian gangs and the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) during the final years of the Ottoman Empire.

 

An academic and the co-chairman of the Turkish-Armenian Dialogue Group, Armen Gakavian, who talked to the Radikal daily yesterday about the apology initiative, said the group of Armenian intellectuals was opposing any kind of violence committed in the past.

 

"I apologize to the Ottomans and Turks for the murders committed in the name of the Armenian public and share the feelings of innocent Ottomans and Turks who feel pain over this," reads the text of the Armenian intellectuals´ apology campaign.

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http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=165741

 


 

I can imagine one of the tamikidakikas of Armenia writing in somewhere and giving the links to pictures of armenians killed by Turks and saying "this is a link to pictures of Armenian victims of genocide carried out by muslim Turks in 1915" (like tami does the opposite in TC) .

 

Or one of the armegons of Armenia, posting something ´so called Intellectuals of Armenia´ and trying to belitteling of those who initiated above campain. And accusing them working for Soros..

 

Or one of the Si++s of Armenia tries to give exaggerated/wrong numbers about the incident of 1915-1916 and calling those intellects as "traiters"..

 

Anyway, personally, I think those Armenian intellects have been working on ´their personal apology´ for sometimes. 

I welcome and applaud their campain..

 



Edited (2/7/2009) by thehandsom

3.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 06:51 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

 

I can imagine one of the tamikidakikas of Armenia writing in somewhere and giving the links to pictures of armenians killed by Turks and saying "this is a link to pictures of Armenian victims of genocide carried out by muslim Turks in 1915" (like tami does the opposite in TC) . How about muslims killed by Armenians? I have never seen you talk about it. Do you have any idea of it? or do you know such a thing at all? McCarty gives 2,5 million muslims were killed between 1914-1918.

 

Or one of the armegons of Armenia, posting something ´so called Intellectuals of Armenia´ and trying to belitteling of those who initiated above campain. And accusing them working for Soros.. Many accepted their names appeared in that list without their knowledge. Yusuf Halaçoðlu said even his name was also included in the list, go figure. And even some of those who supported that initiative accepted that they wouldn´t apologise for it but only be sorry for them (Armenians). I watched Doðu Ergil admitting it on TV

 

Or one of the Si++s of Armenia what do you mean? I have no idea what your point is. tries to give exaggerated/wrong numbers Once again, what was the correct numbers according to you. about the incident of 1915-1916 and calling those intellects as "traiters"..

 

Anyway, personally, OK right, you think so, sure what else can we expect? I think those Armenian intellects have been working on ´their personal apology´ for sometimes. 

I welcome and applaud their campain..

 

 

 

 

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 07:34 pm

 

 How about muslims killed by Armenians? I have never seen you talk about it. Do you have any idea of it? or do you know such a thing at all? McCarty gives 2,5 million muslims were killed between 1914-1918.

 

Come on man..Almost every family lost some members during that period including mine.

The number of muslims killed wont change what went on between 1915-1916 for Armenians..

will it?

 

Many accepted their names appeared in that list without their knowledge. Yusuf Halaçoglu said even his name was also included in the list, go figure. And even some of those who supported that initiative accepted that they wouldn´t apologise for it but only be sorry for them (Armenians). I watched Dogu Ergil admitting it on TV

 

You know it, I know it..

Adding some well known names such as a state paid scholar Yusuf Halaçoglu is just a work of racist thugs..

The intellectects initiated the campain in Turkey are the guys whose lives have been threatened every single day.

They would not add Yusuf Halaçoglu.

Why should they? 

 

 I have no idea what your point is. ...Once again, what was the correct numbers according to you. ..

 

My point is quite clear actually lol..

Anyway I remember giving something in the past in the thread you and armegon got it locked with your personal insults (bear in mind that I did not have time to reply..so do not push it this time)

 ..http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_33771_18 check it there..(and in previous page your copy and paste document indicates the number around 400.000 )...

Basically you put something up there but it was proved to be NOT right..

(Murat Bardakci who published talat pasha´s memoirs also explained where your 400.000 number came from..It is from the army which excluded some of the values..and you believed those values as if your life depended on them all these  years. So my sympathy goes to your dissapointment )

lol



Edited (2/7/2009) by thehandsom
Edited (2/7/2009) by thehandsom

5.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 07:50 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 How about muslims killed by Armenians? I have never seen you talk about it. Do you have any idea of it? or do you know such a thing at all? McCarty gives 2,5 million muslims were killed between 1914-1918.

 

Come on man..Almost every family lost some members during that period including mine.

The number of muslims killed wont change what went on between 1915-1916 for Armenians..

will it?

Yeah but you always talk about Armenians killed by Turks. Muslims were also killed by Armenians right. Weren´t they living in peace for centuries? Then what happened? What did Armenians start to kill muslims? Can you explain it? What were the reasons for it?

Many accepted their names appeared in that list without their knowledge. Yusuf Halaçoglu said even his name was also included in the list, go figure. And even some of those who supported that initiative accepted that they wouldn´t apologise for it but only be sorry for them (Armenians). I watched Dogu Ergil admitting it on TV

 

You know it, I know it..

Adding some well known names such as a state paid scholar Yusuf Halaçoglu is just a work of racist thugs..

  What do you mean how can his name be added? Do you mean the site was hacked?

The intellectects initiated the campain in Turkey are the guys whose lives have been threatened every single day.

They would not add Yusuf Halaçoglu.

Why should they? 

 

 I have no idea what your point is. ...Once again, what was the correct numbers according to you. ..

 

My point is quite clear actually ..

Anyway I remember giving something in the past in the thread you and armegon got it locked with your personal insults (bear in mind that I did not have time to reply..so do not push it this time)

 ..http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_33771_18 check it there..(and in previous page your copy and paste document indicates the number around 400.000 )...

Basically you put something up there but it was proved to be NOT right..

(Murat Bardakci who published talat pasha´s memoirs also explained where your 400.000 number came from..It is from the army which excluded some of the values..and you believed those values as if your life depended on them all these  years. So my sympathy goes to your dissapointment  )

 

  Go re-read it. That number is number of deported not killed? Even Bardakçý admits that nobody can know the exact number of killeds. 400000 or 900000 who cares. That´s just number of deported people.

 

 



Edited (2/7/2009) by si++ [removed garbage]

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 08:12 pm

Yeah but you always talk about Armenians killed by Turks. Muslims were also killed by Armenians right. Weren´t they living in peace for centuries? Then what happened? What did Armenians start to kill muslims? Can you explain it? What were the reasons for it?


I think I explained it somewhere in the forums about ´why/how etc´ and I pointed my finger at raising ´nationalism´ at the time.. 

 

What do you mean how can his name be added? Do you mean the site was hacked?

 

Come on.. I assume you have some knowledge of how websites forms work..

I can register myself as ´brat pitt´ in tc for example..

I dont think they were performing any authantication for an online campain. How can they?

 

 

Go re-read it. That number is number of deported not killed? Even Bardakçi admits that nobody can know the exact number of killeds. 400000 or 900000 who cares. That´s just number of deported people.

 

I think it is quite important that the number has changed ( from a few angle):

- the army who published that number and we now know that it was not telling the truth!!!

- the people who always argued as ´look this is the number -400.000- how can it be 600.000 -or whatever- death Armenians?,  will not be easily arguing by knowing that fact that the number of deporties were app.1 million.

- people will know question why ´we have been lied about the numbers all those years´ (and what else have been lied about? kurds for example? )

- And from your angle, you have believed in LIES which I repeatedly pointed out for you guys. (so next time, in another topic, please do read some other sources before believing wholeheartedly "what state paid people" are telling you to believe)

 

7.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 08:28 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Yeah but you always talk about Armenians killed by Turks. Muslims were also killed by Armenians right. Weren´t they living in peace for centuries? Then what happened? What did Armenians start to kill muslims? Can you explain it? What were the reasons for it?


I think I explained it somewhere in the forums about ´why/how etc´ and I pointed my finger at raising ´nationalism´ at the time.. 

That´s it? As simple as that? You mean Armenian nationalism? Because they started first, right?

 

 

What do you mean how can his name be added? Do you mean the site was hacked?

 

Come on.. I assume you have some knowledge of how websites forms work..

I can register myself as ´brat pitt´ in tc for example..

I dont think they were performing any authantication for an online campain. How can they?

 

You can only increase counter by one by registering. I didn´t see the names of registered users. I only saw a list of Turkish scholars there. So who can add it?

 

Go re-read it. That number is number of deported not killed? Even Bardakçi admits that nobody can know the exact number of killeds. 400000 or 900000 who cares. That´s just number of deported people.

 

I think it is quite important that the number has changed ( from a few angle):

- the army who published that number and we now know that it was not telling the truth!!!

- the people who always argued as ´look this is the number -400.000- how can it be 600.000 -or whatever- death Armenians?,  will not be easily arguing by knowing that fact that the number of deporties were app.1 million.

- people will know question why ´we have been lied about the numbers all those years´ (and what else have been lied about? kurds for example? )

- And from your angle, you have believed in LIES which I repeatedly pointed out for you guys. (so next time, in another topic, please do read some other sources before believing wholeheartedly "what state paid people" are telling you to believe)

 

Only western sources can tell the truth by your rationale? That´s fucking bullshit. So what do you think is the number of killed people? What are your sources?

 

 

 



Edited (2/7/2009) by si++ [garbage again]

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 09:18 pm

 

That´s it? As simple as that? You mean Armenian nationalism? Because they started first, right? 

 

That is true..Turkish nationalism came a bit  later than greek or armenians or other nations´ nationalisms in Ottomani empire.

It should be discussed  in another topic actually. I was trying to make it simple for you..

 

You can only increase counter by one by registering. I didn´t see the names of registered users. I only saw a list of Turkish scholars there. So who can add it?

 

well. as far as I know, anybody typing a name/surname etc and then hit submit button would register a name in the beginning..no?

And I think the front page which shows the list of scholars has not changed much since the beginning..

But anyway, if you want to believe the people who initiated the campain such as Prof. Baskin Oran and his friends sitting there and adding the well known state paid scholar names such as Halacoglu, I mean if beleiving that makes you feel better, please do!!!

 

Only western sources can tell the truth by your rationale? That´s fucking bullshit. So what do you think is the number of killed people? What are your sources?

 

Now you are losing your cool..you are swearing!!!

Where did I say only western source or what are the western sources I mentioned?..you even dont know your own country and its sources!!

 


 



Edited (2/7/2009) by thehandsom

9.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 09:43 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

That´s it? As simple as that? You mean Armenian nationalism? Because they started first, right? 

 

That is true..Turkish nationalism came a bit  later than greek or armenians or other nations´ nationalisms in Ottomani empire.

It should be discussed  in another topic actually. I was trying to make it simple for you..

Your simpleness spelth over. What a simple mind.

 

You can only increase counter by one by registering. I didn´t see the names of registered users. I only saw a list of Turkish scholars there. So who can add it?

 

well. as far as I know, anybody typing a name/surname etc and then hit submit button would register a name in the beginning..no?

And I think the front page which shows the list of scholars has not changed much since the beginning..

But anyway, if you want to believe the people who initiated the campain such as Prof. Baskin Oran and his friends sitting there and adding the well known state paid scholar names such as Halacoglu, I mean if beleiving that makes you feel better, please do!!!

I watched Doðu Ergil admitting he would only be sorry. Apologising is another thing. Yet his name were listed as one of the scholars apologising. Then that list disapperaed all of a sudden.

 

Only western sources can tell the truth by your rationale? That´s fucking bullshit. So what do you think is the number of killed people? What are your sources?

 

Now you are losing your cool..you are swearing!!!

Where did I say only western source or what are the western sources I mentioned?..you even dont know your own country and its sources!!

 

What makes you think so? And what do you know? So please give us your sources. Enlighten us. What do you belive? How many muslims were killed by Armenians exactly first of all according to your sources? And how many Armenians?


 

 

 



Edited (2/7/2009) by si++

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 10:16 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

What makes you think so? And what do you know? So please give us your sources. Enlighten us. What do you belive? How many muslims were killed by Armenians exactlyfirst of all according to your sources? And how many Armenians?


 

 

 

Oooo come on ya. ..This is getting boring now..

I can give you some names such as Halil Berktay, Murat Belge, Baskin Oran (even Murat Bardakci -What he says that ´if we did not do it, they would do it to us´ )etc...

But I wont give you a list..

And in order to finish this argument I will say that:

My source is "Oracle"..OK? lol

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