http://www.porges.net/Frankists.html      (copy&paste, if link does not work)

Jacob Frank was the head of a Jewish religious group, later called the FRANKISTS.  Jacob  beleved that the humanity could only be saved by Mesiah coming back to lead his people out of disgrace. He also believed that Mesiah would arrive only when things got really bad.

Logical move for Jacob to preemt the arrival of Mesiah then, was to help push morality down into deepest pits, as quickly as possible. Mesiah would then rush to the world to save his herd.

He presented his followers with weird sermons to achieve his mission. Things went fine, until one day he preached that homosexuality was a form of divine worship. Neither the Polish King nor the Catholic Inquisitors liked that. He was tried and jailed; his followers disbanded. Most of his followers suddenly declared that they would become devout  Catholic Christians from then on, and evaded penalties. The rumour is they secretly kept following Jacob´s sermons.

Where are the descendants of Frankists nowadays?  Who do you think is promoting homosexuality, unisex marriages  etc. and getting the Catholic Pope vey upset?

Note: Believe it or not, Jacob Frank was one of the disciples of Sabetai Tsevi, the latter being one of the gratest contributions of Turkish culture to world civilisation. Jacob spoke perfect Turkish and passed himself as a Turk, on more then a few tight occassions.

And where on this forum you see followers of Jacob Frank? Where/when can you hear them in Turkey? What does this man have to do with a statement two days ago in Zaman?

My words are to the "wise" only......

 That means I´m not wise, fine. But I still think you are not able to explain, else you would have taken the opportunity to teach me.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/court-outlaws-ban-on-gays-in-armed-forces-1122740.html

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090515/tuk-pair-guilty-of-abusing-sol-campbell-6323e80.html

Thought you might like to read these - as an example, only just outlawed in the UK and the EU by the Court of Human Rights (and we  (UK) are a liberal society)!!!!

Sol Campbell, an ex-England player, taunted by homophobic chants ..........

So is Turkey really that backward?  Certainly not 19th Century, more mid-20th Century or even late 20th century................ as for the UK it only became mildly tolerated in the mid 20th Century.  It is still illegal in many countries and certainly not tolerated in many societies. And I did read somewhere that the Netherlands was thinking of castration as a cure.

Small steps I am afraid....... one thing we can always be assured of, there will always be homophobics and there will always be racists and there will always be extremists...

Source? I know a few people think of that as a ´solution´ for paedophilia, not for homosexuality!

http://www.onderzoekinformatie.nl/en/oi/nod/onderzoek/OND1316755/

Castration as a cure from the Netherlands.

Me trying to teach you anything is but futile Trudy.

You lack the basic prerequisites of  being a good disciple; you are neither humble nor modest.

If only you could be as humble and modest as I am....Try following my footsteps.

To some people, encouragement or defense of homosexuality is a way of attacking the idea of "family".

In countries - like Turkia -  where "family,  as a social institution" is revered and highly recommended by law, in fact by the Constitution,  it is hard to support  homosexuality - in terms of human rights.

Can you imagine one bringing up  kids, teaching them the virtues of "familiy" at home, yet escorting them to yearly Queers&Lesbians Ball every year, so they participate and gain a wider insight into different colors of life ?

Who can agree with the following statement ?  "Cancer cells are also created by god, hence they have  every right to thrive on a human´s body as the normal cells. Their surgical removal may save that individual´s life, but also means  certain untimely death for the cancer cells - hence is grossly inhuman."

Very good example, I really like it