Trudy your english is excellent and you express yourself better than many who are native speakers. 

So you have appointed yourself the voice of the Islamic/Eastern community?   How can you ASSURE this comment alameda?  

I´m sure you don´t realize or intend to be perceived as someone who is intolerant of people that don´t share your beliefs....but I can assure you are seen as intolerant!!! 

 +1  - an excellent post 

Excellent post Trudy. When you take your time and write down what you geniunely think about a contraversial subject such as this one, you avoid raising all those question marks in readers´s minds.

The formerly broad spectrum of the political scene has become converged over the recent years. Being against people of different ethnic origins (talking about legal citizens here) would be considered in the domain of a nationalist party. If someone is entitled to your citizenship, you have little to affect his/her cultural preferences. We have millions of Kurds living in this country. They are our legal citizens. No matter how culturally different they may be, we cannot just wish them leave the country. We must also take into account the nationalist sentiment within the country. When you start complaining of the Kurdish culture, you encourage over patriotic people whose slogan is either love this country or leave it.

These people belong to a patriarchal community which is very resistant to change. In this country, we are looking into years of education, an agricultural revolution, large scale incentive schemes to cure the problem a bit.

Wow, what a judgmental post! I am sure that I am also pretty racist and intolerant in your eyes, and I don´t praise the East enough..

I think Alameda that you are one of those people who feel entitled that everybody must respect your culture/East and is not allowed to criticise Islam, while they themselves show absolutely no respect or understanding of the views or culture of the other side..

 If you will reread my comment, you may realize I did not accuse you of the use of all caps in complete sentences.  I did not say you are racist, I said some of your comments were perceived as racist.............there is a difference.... and there were also also compliments directed to you. 

I have not ever used curse words in addressing you, nor have I called you derogatory names.  In using Free Speech, my observations and feelings were expressed.  After all, we do believe in Free Speech, don´t we?

To add to this, this started when Trudy called vineyards a misogynist....

(Misogyny is hatred (or contempt) of women or girls. Misogyny comes from Greek misogunia It is parallel to misandry—the hatred of men or boys. Misogyny is also comparable with misanthropy which is the hatred of humanity generally).which is a personal insult. 

The whole thing could have been stopped there, if the rules against personal insults had been followed.

 What you fail to understand is that you can be insulting without ever using a curse word or calling someone a derogatory name.  That is where you fall short alameda.  You cannot comprehend that you are just as guilty as anyone who has the guts to come right out and call a spade a spade.

What I find humorous about you is that you are consistently telling people to re-read your posts.  Does it not occur to you that the problem may not be with the reader, but with the poster? 

 Actually girleegirl, I have a lot of communication in that area. 

No, I don´t intend to be perceived as intolerant, nor do I think that is true.  There is a difference between being tolerant and approval.  I tolerate many things I would rather not.  That is also a freedome, is it not.  Now can you give some specific examples of how you get that impression?

What I find interesting is the fact that it is the same people that have problems and call a "spade a spade".  When someone else does it, you get upset.  I am consistantly in your line of sight.

And do you not see the fact that there is a difference between the use of curse words and not using them. 

Last words I´ll say to you, you´re not worth any second more of my time and energy: I rather have honest people using curse words right in my face than hypocrites using lines and lines with difficult words, meaning the same but not brave enough to say what they really mean. Honest but swearing people I can reply to, those hypocrites are behind ones back. One guess in which group I place you.

 We can´t all be Trudy can we? Who knows whose way is right. Unless we communicate we cannot understand one another. If you read your own message once more, you too will realize it contains personal attacks. I would like to apoligize to you should you feel attacked by me in the past. We all three must be setting an excellent example to how far from perfection we humanbeings are. More than often, we write those long messages in the hope of defending a right cause. I know some people don´t even read them. I guess they irritate some others who prefer simplicity over sophistication. Well, I don´t chose your way but I don´t want you to peek fun at mine either.

At the end of the day, there is still a type of person, a European who detests any foreign elements in their society and put the blame for all the calamities in their society on those people. In this country too there are people who defend that Turkey would be hundred times better, if it was possible to send the Kurds somewhere else. The simple answer to this question is we can´t and you can´t either. So, let us not talk about an option which is not available to us within the human boundaries.