Jealous?  

now this is what I call "a brainless comment"

But you definitely sounded like  

 I base my argument on the fact that human nature has essentially remained the same. You said you are not proud of Vahdettin and this is in line with the view of the general public - people are proud of victors.

A mirror reflects light in only one direction. Ask Serbs or Bulgarians about Ottomans, most of them will use words of hatred since it was their blood that was shed. Ask this question to a MHP supporter, and he can fill pages singing praises of them. A mirror will never fool you, it will never let you receive light beams from other directions unless you turn your own mirror yourself.

One of the posters in this thread supports  Reagan. She will probably support most presidents belonging to the political party she has always voted for. She will probably disdain the leaders from the opposition party. Again she probably believes in the doctrines of the political party she is supporting as if she established that party herself. In the political world out there, a completely different game is played.

My motto is: you can defend whatever cause you like but don´t forget to turn your mirror every now and then.

If I was to make a decision about them possibly I would do as :

1- Billy Clinton 

2- Jimmy Carter 

3-nill..

I think Bill Clinton was the most intelligent one and as far as Ronald Reagan is concerned he  did not strike anybody as a clever person to be honest..But somehow, he was the president who forced  the soviet-block to collapse..

 Yes..the peanut farmer. Sadly, Carter was admired more for his efforts after his presidency than while he was in the White House.  It appears anyone can be chosen for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Hmm, I would say bringing down communism alone  would take a clever a person. 

  So you think I always vote for my party?  Hmm, your assumtion isn´t accurate Vineyard.   I´m a little more vested in my own personal interest to be closed minded. However, since you bring up Reagan  let´s compare Carter  and Reagan shall we?  The Carter who you feel is the #1 President is the same president that  left our country with a double digit inflation our economy was in terrible shape when he left office. Not to metion the long lines to buy rationed gas and the goverment consumed roughly 70% of many people´s pay check.  My Reagan cut taxes down to rougly 30% which in return gave money back into the pockets of the working people, downsized government, brought in more tax revenue even at a lower rate compared to the higher rate former Carter days and did I mention he beat communisim.

So when I make this comparison, why would I not support Reagan.  Try not to make this a Demo/Liberal vs  Republican/Conserv...I´m neither!

Worth reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

I have never claimed I did not like your Reagan otherwise he wouldn´t make it on my conservative list of top three presidents.

Reagan was indeed a very successful leader. I admire the skill with which he kept the reins of his country at a very turbulent time making some of the most important decisions ever made by a US President. 

Nevertheless, Reagan can also be criticized for being on the border of old school patriotism. Having said that I can never compare him to the two Bushes.  He was a fatherly figure defending the need for believing in one´s country and supporting all its objectives with eyes closed - a thought which was not shared by the young generation in America. Nevertheless, it was this attitude of his that kept the country together and strong.  I believe he had te potential to become a president in the 60´s when he was much younger and smarter. Would he be as successful only God knows.

As for Carter and the criticism you direct to him. We had a prime minister who passed away a while ago. He can be compared to Carter in some regards. Ecevit was a poet and  a journalist. Though he was a left leader he was also a true believer of his country. This aspect is common to all American Presidents. In this country however, there are people who criticize leaders for being half as patriotic as the  average US president (or the leader of any country). 

You are bashing the high taxes and the bad state of the economy under Carter. Carter faced a global crisis which was several folds graver than the one we are having at the moment. These crises are like lottery tickets. We can´t blame Carter for this. During that critical period, he appeared on TV and invited the US public to conserve energy and stop wasting resources. You complain of high taxes but the entire Europe is run by governments collecting taxes several folds higher than those in the US. Both Obama and Carter promised people to cut off on defense expenses which I believe is very true.  The US went through many Great Recessions and Reagan was in power in one of them too.

As for the mirror talk, I based that on your posts until date which makes you a bit predictable in terms of political preferences. It is of course not my business to evaluate you and your preferences and should there be a countinuation on this matter maybe it must be through PM´s in order not to personalize matters on a public forum.  I hope you will find this critic within tolerable limits.

I´m sorry for going off-topic (i can´t rank 3 US presidents as I don´t know enough about them) but it just gets my goats when I read it was an American president who took down communism. How can you do that if you´re not a leader of a communist country? It was the people of Europe who dealt with the system, not the US. A lot of people died to bring communism to an end. If the States REALLY wanted to support them communism would be over way earlier. Yet it seems that communism was pretty convenient for the US - at least they had an enemy to scare people with and could justify army expenses with Cold War...