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6-7 September -1955
1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Sep 2009 Tue 12:24 pm

I have been reading the columns of the daily news papers about 6-7 September -1955 events.

We also discussed (or ´tried to discuss´ by the look of it)

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_33782

Or here

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_12336

 

In a nut shell:

It was related to the  U.N. discussions on Cyprus. Ozel Harp Dairesi (special war unit) -deep state of the time- arranged a guy and bombed the house where Ataturk was born in Selonica to provoke some Turks and then non-muslims were attacked by the Turkish mob (Although it seemed the crowd reacting the bombing, we learnt later on, it was a carefully planed incident which got out of hand in the end)

Anyway, the result is some dead (3 or 11 - god knows), many injured -60 non muslim women take to hospital for rape-over 5000 buildings were attacked almost all of them were non muslims.

In the end, it ended up as a huge dark shameful incident in our history with many Greeks kicked out of Turkey..

Anyway it is an historical event..

We have to remember it "to prevent it is hapenning again"..

But..someone posted a clip into fb about the incident -with the text WE SHOULD NOT FORGET TO STOP BEING REPEATED´ and another Turk reponded by saying that ´If the samething happened today, people will behave worse..Because the way we think more backwards than we had in 1955 ´

By looking around here:  Hating anything Christian, hating anything western, hating anything non-Turkish!! 

It is really depressing sometimes!!

2.       libralady
5152 posts
 08 Sep 2009 Tue 04:14 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I have been reading the columns of the daily news papers about 6-7 September -1955 events.

We also discussed (or ´tried to discuss´ by the look of it)

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_33782

Or here

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_12336

 

In a nut shell:

It was related to the  U.N. discussions on Cyprus. Ozel Harp Dairesi (special war unit) -deep state of the time- arranged a guy and bombed the house where Ataturk was born in Selonica to provoke some Turks and then non-muslims were attacked by the Turkish mob (Although it seemed the crowd reacting the bombing, we learnt later on, it was a carefully planed incident which got out of hand in the end)

Anyway, the result is some dead (3 or 11 - god knows), many injured -60 non muslim women take to hospital for rape-over 5000 buildings were attacked almost all of them were non muslims.

In the end, it ended up as a huge dark shameful incident in our history with many Greeks kicked out of Turkey..

Anyway it is an historical event..

We have to remember it "to prevent it is hapenning again"..

But..someone posted a clip into fb about the incident -with the text WE SHOULD NOT FORGET TO STOP BEING REPEATED´ and another Turk reponded by saying that ´If the samething happened today, people will behave worse..Because the way we think more backwards than we had in 1955 ´

By looking around here:  Hating anything Christian, hating anything western, hating anything non-Turkish!! 

It is really depressing sometimes!!

 

 Does anything get "discussed" on TC?  Not noticed any discussions lately........ Confused

 

and I have to agree with you on the hating everything scenario..........a sickening trend that you have contributed to and isn´t this post provoking that trend further????

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 08 Sep 2009 Tue 05:49 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

But..someone posted a clip into fb about the incident -with the text WE SHOULD NOT FORGET TO STOP BEING REPEATED´ and another Turk reponded by saying that ´If the samething happened today, people will behave worse..Because the way we think more backwards than we had in 1955

 

 So do you agree with this? Do you think that people are worse now then they were in 1955?  

 

Yeah.. the hatred around IS depressing

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Sep 2009 Tue 11:09 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

 So do you agree with this? Do you think that people are worse now then they were in 1955?  

 

Yeah.. the hatred around IS depressing

 

Well..

Unfortunately, changing the deeply embedded cultural phenomenons are not that easy..And just changing the law and constitution etc are just the beginning of the change . There are some generations in Turkey which grew up with abnormality and that is their normality!..

 

Years after years people heard the things as an ideology you could only hear from ultra marginal groups in a half way decent democratic country..

 

Racism under the umbrella of nationalism was almost the main idealogy (it still is in many respect). Instead of happy and free citizens, we have people who shake with the excitement about talking ´secrificing themselvels for the nation´. 

 

I was in Turkey a few years ago when those two british football fans were killed..I was watching the tv and the mother of murderer was saying ´I am proud of my son. He did it for his country.´ and it was a normal thing to hear that!! He is just petty murderer..

 

The guy killed Hrant Dink... he was treated as a hero too.. In Trabzon the entire  fooltball stadium was chanting in favour of him.. And it was considered  as normal!!

 

The other day we talked about this colonel pulling the pin of a hand granade and giving it to a soldier as a punishment. (And 4 soldiers died) well even that is a normal thing which happened to gone wrong..

 

Anyway..I dont think there will be enough space here to write these abnormalites..

Coming back to your question, I dont think it is as bad as it used to be.. It will take time.. Many positive  changes have been made to the constitution etc. 

We are changing!!

5.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 18 Dec 2009 Fri 02:11 am

The 6-7 Eylül olayları are a Turkish political masterpiece of the Democrat Party to turn Cyprus, which was never an issue in the foreign policies nor in the national consciousness, into a national cause for Turkey.

 

It would be nice if the people would actually realise that they were tricked into this, instead of taking the Cyprus-issue for granted and believing that it has always been there.

6.       Yersu
241 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 02:28 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

The 6-7 Eylül olayları are a Turkish political masterpiece of the Democrat Party to turn Cyprus, which was never an issue in the foreign policies nor in the national consciousness, into a national cause for Turkey.

 

It would be nice if the people would actually realise that they were tricked into this, instead of taking the Cyprus-issue for granted and believing that it has always been there.

 

What does turning Cyprus into a national issue for Turkey have to do anything with the issue itself? Do you realize that there was of bloodshed, turmoil and civilian killings in Cyprus for 2 decades; under the rule of sovereign Cypriot government? Are you trying to say that these killings wouldn´t happen if Turkey didn´t care for Turkish Cypriots, because last time I checked Enosis plans and related crimes did exist before 1955 too. Or are you implying that it shouldn´t have turned into a national issue so that Greeks would have had their way,achieved Enosis and extermination? {#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

Can you clarify what you were trying to tell since it doesn´t make any sense to me.

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