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20.       clhyman
59 posts
 18 Nov 2009 Wed 09:32 pm

The beautiful deer... I am afraid of the beautiful deer... But yes.. I am sure "Bambi" is very happy too. Wink

21.       alameda
3499 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 06:42 am

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

Do you believe in luck ?  

I do believe. 

 

( One day I said my friend “I wish you good luck!”

My friend  replied :"Thank you for your kind thoughts.However I do not believe in luck.” )

 

 

Yes I do, but I don´t think most people know how to understand what is good or bad luck. 

 

For instance most parents think having a beautiful child is good luck.  But this could be very wrong. 

 

Many "beaufiful" women or men learn to depend of their looks, rather than develop other qualities.  They are even prevented or discouraged in developing those other attributes.

 

Look at the sad case of Anna Nicole Smith.....what a tragic lady she really was. To many she would seem very lucky........a very wealthy husband, a well endowed body, a pretty face....but how sad it all turned out.

 

Often times we think something is bad luck, when maybe this event actually was the best thing that could happen. 

 

Another sad case is the case of Howard Hughes..........scramble for the billions



Edited (11/19/2009) by alameda [edit]

22.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 05:46 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

About “Luck”: 

Everyone has a destiny.

You were born in England,USA, Germany,etc.

But you could have been born in Africa, Asia or another continent and country.

And you live in this country.

It is like a lottery. 

 

I as a believer call this will of God or appreciaion of God but not luck. In my opinion there is no luck, no coincidence in subsistence and no arbitrariness in existence. There is no good luck or bad luck either. Good or bad luck are realted to yourself. Winning a lottery is just possibility, human cannot know possibilities but God can. Thats the law of nature which is the same as kelimetullah or wil of God and there is no change in kelimetullah. Possibility is one of the law of nature and thus will of God, just like among hundreds of thousands of spremcells, only one of them which reaches the first, fertilize the femalecell and the conditions which make that spermcell first, is the God´s will. Isnt that the laws that determine the best position of spermcell? So God´s will are expressed in His laws of universe. People usually confuse humanwill with God´s will, humanwill subject to emotions and whims controlled by needs, how can will of God has the same definition as He is without any need?

 

As for the destiny, its again related to God´s will of course not a concept of God´s contentedness, human has frewill within God´s appreciation, God put laws on ruling of subsistence, puts law due to ontological strucuture but human cannot. It can be described with a simile like you are on your way to İstanbul for instance and İstanbul is sure our destination, you have no control over that, what you can control is how you reach İstanbul, one can reach following the rules or one can reach using tricks...

23.       alameda
3499 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 09:19 pm

I think you are argueing semantics....call it what you will.  You don´t know what it is written, nor could you understand it if you did, so it´s not relevant to you.....Too many, and in particular in the "East" have the  it´s "Written"...so what can I do attitude? If you are a believer, as you say, you believe in Free Will....so you have to take responsibility for your actions..........

 

There is a story about a family who were in a flood zone that was ordered to evacuate.  They went to the home and told them to get out, but the residents said, "the Lord will save us, we depend on Him"


The waters rose and they had to move to the second floor, the authorities came by in boats to help them evacuate....same story....they would wait for the Lord to save them....


Next they were on their roof and they came by in helicopters to rescue them, but again they said they were waiting for the Lord to rescue them.


They ended up drowning and when they asked what happened, they were told, "We sent vehicles,  boats were sent, helicopters were sent.......you refused them all......

 

As I said in my previous post, we really have no idea of what is really "good luck". Many times what we think is really good luck is but a curse.


 

 

Quoting armegon

............I as a believer call this will of God or appreciaion of God but not luck. In my opinion there is no luck, no coincidence in subsistence and no arbitrariness in existence. There is no good luck or bad luck either..............

24.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 10:25 pm

Since i believe in free-will, you should guess i am oppossed to predetermination.  What i understood from the word luck, something happened arbitrarily, good or bad and people call it luck, isnt that the way people use it? And i say its not luck, that thing happened is serving the will of God not a coincidence and not arbitrary. All is from God...

Quoting alameda

I think you are argueing semantics....call it what you will. 

 

 

25.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 02:13 am

-According to the belief, if anyone does a righteous deed, it enures to the benefit of his/her  own soul;

If he/she does evil, it works against his/her own soul.

 

 

-İyi başlayan bir şey kötü sonuç verebilir.

Kötü başlayan bir şey de iyi sonuç verebilir.

İyi ve kötü talih belli bir sürecin sonunda anlaşılır.

Hiçkimse bunu bilemez.Onu yalnız Allah bilir.

Ama inancımıza göre, eğer aklınızı kullanıyorsanız, güzel düşünüp güzel ve yapıcı davranışlar sergiliyorsanız, çevrenizde faydalı işler yapıyorsanız, iyi niyetli ve temiz kalpli iseniz iyi talih sizi zaten bulur.



Edited (11/20/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (11/20/2009) by yilgun-2010

26.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 03:34 am

Yes, you have a good point.

 

Popular usage of the word "luck" is often different from actual dictionary definitions.  Meanings change through time, and how words are used changes.  Also, there are regional differences that color the meaning of words.

 

I think in essence we are in agreement. I would say some have it easy, and others have things difficult. Perhaps that has more to do with how one reacts to one´s lot....so to speak.

 

I have been taking a lot of walks lately and I am amazed at how much passed me by before. You know, stop and smell the flowers? There was so much I had not appreciated. Fabulous beauty was all around me, but I had not noticed it.

 

I am somewhat jealous of my cats, who are very much in the moment. Humans are always seeming to be looking to the future, and missing the present.  How many times have we lost what we have, only to later mourn our loss, but while we were in it, we were (in our mind) someplace else.

 

Quoting armegon

Since i believe in free-will, you should guess i am oppossed to predetermination.  What i understood from the word luck, something happened arbitrarily, good or bad and people call it luck, isnt that the way people use it? And i say its not luck, that thing happened is serving the will of God not a coincidence and not arbitrary. All is from God...

 

 

 

 



Edited (11/20/2009) by alameda [add]

27.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 04:10 am

You say only Allah knows the best, and then you add if you are a good person and you do good deeds, good luck will find you, how can you be sure if only Allah knows the best? Anyway it is explained in Kuran;

 

4:78-Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you are in fortified towers. If any good befalls them, they say: "This is from God" and if any bad befalls them, they say: "This is from you!" Say: "All is from God;" what is wrong with these people, they barely understand anything said!

4:79-Any good that befalls you is from God, and any bad that befalls you is from yourself/your nafs. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.

 

So where is luck? If you say something good or bad happened as a consequence of luck, then where is God? It is simply kind of shirk according to my understanding...

Quoting yilgun-2010

-According to the belief, if anyone does a righteous deed, it enures to the benefit of his/her  own soul;

If he/she does evil, it works against his/her own soul.

 

 

-İyi başlayan bir şey kötü sonuç verebilir.

Kötü başlayan bir şey de iyi sonuç verebilir.

İyi ve kötü talih belli bir sürecin sonunda anlaşılır.

Hiçkimse bunu bilemez.Onu yalnız Allah bilir.

Ama inancımıza göre, eğer aklınızı kullanıyorsanız, güzel düşünüp güzel ve yapıcı davranışlar sergiliyorsanız, çevrenizde faydalı işler yapıyorsanız, iyi niyetli ve temiz kalpli iseniz iyi talih sizi zaten bulur.

 

 



Edited (11/20/2009) by armegon

28.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 02:25 pm

Everybody has a destiny according to the belief.

Nobody  can knows it.

But life is a sum of  choices,  good and bad..

You reap what you sow.

 

29.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 02:37 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

 

But life is a sum of  choices,  good and bad..

You reap what you sow.

 

 

 I completely disagree with this statement.  Whilst a lot of your life depends on decision making, much seems to be thrown at you for no reason whatsoever.  the likelihood of good and bad happening to you is random, so whilst many people can go through life with fairly equal amounts of good and bad events, there are many people who seem to get MORE good or bad. 

 

This has nothing whatsoever to do with religious beliefs or living a "good" life - indeed I know of many "bad" people who have a lot of good fortune, and many many very "good" people who have had the most horrible, tragic events happen to them.  Therefore it is not always true that you "reap what you sow" ... unfortunately!  If only it were that simple. 

 

The earliest pagan religions did not understand thunderstorms, earthquakes etc. and would believe that that "God/Allah was angry".  We now know the science behind such events, but it seems some religions refuse to let go of the thought that events are "the will of God/Allah".

 

If you still believe that you "reap what you sow" trying saying this phrase to a starving child in Africa...

 



Edited (11/20/2009) by TheAenigma
Edited (11/20/2009) by TheAenigma

30.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 02:49 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

Yes, some of them.

They are good, sincere and honest members of the TLC.

And they are, as a select committee, going to be selecting

the person or persons of the year 2009-Turkish Language Class (TLC)

under my control.

 

 

 

 I assume this is a joke?

If not, may I ask some questions?

 

(1)  Who elected this "committee"?  I am rather uncomfortable with a secret select committee of "good, sincere and honest members" judging us from ther ivory tower  

(2)  Does this "select committee" represent TLC?  Has admin approved such grand decision making?

(3)  Does a new select committee need to be set up to decide if your select committee are "good, honest and sincere".  After all, we only seem to have your word for it

(4)  What does "under your control" mean exactly?

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