I know neither of you, never had chance, reason or excuse to cantact you, to follow your posts, to communicate with you. Except, spritzer, that you once involved in my posts and made me angry. And I didn´t follow the recent discussion properly. Whether or not you used a ´foul language´, I will put this aside now. There was something very obvious and clear in your effort - that you seemed (and believed) that you are right - no matter about what. I felt and found in your struggle the fact that you were perhaps unjustly treated, weren´t given chance or opportunity to make your point. That´s why I wanted and decided to help you with a translation that you posted in the translation section.

As for you, gokuyum, in my opinion one should support and second their friend exactly the way you have done for spritzer, if one thinks that their friend is unjustly treated or victim, even though everyone else is against and opposite. Your arguments, claims and aproach to spritzer-subject showed me that you must also be right in whatever you has intended about spritzer.

I do greet both of your struggle and have now sympathy for you both!

 Thank you gezegen for your supporting comments. I couldn´t let a dear friend down. If it was possible I wanted to be deleted instead of her. She is such a nice and humanist person. She cares a lot for poor and ill-treated people. She was right on the matter she defended. She is like a martyr for me telling the truths without being afraid. I think they will kick me out soon. But let me say i loved this site. At least i met with spritzer here and met with a lot of good people. If they delete me too, know that i don´t regret anything.

nobody loves me. nobody defends me like goku defends spritzer.

lucky spritzer, now martyred.

when shall I get my tribute?

 another weeper!!!is it TLC flooding like in my poor country?Lemon,as they say God protect me from friends- enemies i choose myself!!!

nothing other do is bcs of you what they do is because of themselves...i do love you)))believe it or not!!!

gokuyum - I do know you wouldn´t care a bit if you are get deleted as well. But following false-logic and approach of the admin (I mean Fatih), they cannot and musn´t execute the rules on you because (so far I have noticed) you have also a great contribution to this site (in the translation section). Now one can at least expect the equality, even on logically-false implemented-rules!

I am very glad on your behalf that you havel her as a dear friend. The rest (all these discussions here) is just a footnote!

Don´t be sure this much! Whoever feels alone or is with no support, I feel myself with them. If someone hasn´t so far supported, it is probably because you didn´t need as you can fight on your own!

When you need, I will be with you and second you, lemon! You can believe this.

  I happen to believe a real friend will not blindly follow and give support whether I am right or wrong but rather tell me when I am acting like a horses ass! 

I don´t believe everything my friends tell me as gospel truth nor do I expect them to believe everything I say.  

The ability to look at things objectively is the sign of a true friend.  

girleegirl - What here in the case of spritzer and gokuyum counts is NOT whether and/or what one friend tells the other. Neither spritzer told or asked gokuyum to do something (e.g. to defend her) nor have they both asked me to write a tribute to them. While she didn´t ask him to defend her, he has done so, probably only because he thought and believed that she as his dear friend were unjustly treated, but not because he tended to blindly defend her while he, too, saw, like many others of you supposedly did, that she was in broadest meaning wrong and he still acted like a horsess ass accordingly.

As for your ´objectiveness´... let us put it aside, whether the supposedly objective front against spritzer and gokuyum were really objective, objectiveness could be one of the last signs of a true friendship because two true and dear friends don´t and aren´t supposed to (and who knows, maybe don´t need) have official, formal or commercial relationships, in which ´objectiveness´ play an important role. It could join in the game only when one true friend reviews their two other true friends, which is not the case here (as we are talking about only spritzer and gokuyum).

Evidently our definition and perception of a true friendship is different. While you don´t expect me to die or kill for you , if need be, I don´t expect you to be objective towards me, either. It is perhaps because of this reason that girleegirl and gezegen aren´t true and dear friends while gokuyum can call spritzer as a dear friend.