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10.       bydand
755 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 12:47 pm

As I see it it is a wise proverb similar to many used everyday here in Scotland only the context in which it is used here is objectionable to some.

11.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 12:53 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Everybody understands what it means and how racist the wording  is.. 

Even softened version of your translation wont cover it Sui..

 

 I cannot do anything about how you want to understand it my friend

 

but it has nothing to do with being racist to me

12.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 12:57 pm

 

 

Sorry, double post




Edited (5/28/2010) by lady in red

13.       lady in red
6947 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:00 pm

 

Quoting bydand

As I see it it is a wise proverb similar to many used everyday here in Scotland only the context in which it is used here is objectionable to some.

 

.....an in the context in which it was used I thought it was intended to be insulting.

14.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:09 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

 I cannot do anything about how you want to understand it my friend

 

but it has nothing to do with being racist to me

 

Well of course it is not to you..

(And also I explained why it might look  normal to a person from a country which has the biggest racist party in Europe )

That is why I keep saying that we do have "a Turkish problem"..

15.       bydand
755 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:10 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

.....an in the context in which it was used I thought it was intended to be insulting.

 

 Of course insults will always be traded by both sides in a dispute.

16.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:13 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well of course it is not to you..

(And also I explained why it might look  normal to a person from a country which has the biggest racist party in Europe )

That is why I keep saying that we do have "a Turkish problem"..

 

 

When a politician uses that word over a group of people, or over a group of same ethnicity like gypsies, africans etc..., yes it can be heard as a racist.

 

But there are always two sides on a madallion, which we should never forget...

17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:19 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

 

When a politician uses that word over a group of people, or over a group of same ethnicity like gypsies, africans etc..., yes it can be heard as a racist.

 

But there are always two sides on a madallion, which we should never forget...

 

Put your hand into your heart..

Say we are in Europe and say You are talking about how young Turks are well educated, how cultured they are and suddenly a person is coming up and saying above words to you..What would you think?

There is no medallion here...Even there is, both sides are racism..

But as I said, you NOT being able to see that is quite normal it seems



Edited (5/28/2010) by thehandsom

18.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:30 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Put your hand into your heart..

Say we are in Europe and say You are talking about how young Turks are well educated, how cultured they are and suddenly a person is coming up and saying above words to you..What would you think?

There is no medallion here...Even there is, both sides are racism..

But as I said, you NOT being able to see that is quite normal it seems

 

I cannot agree with what you are saying over here, as during my travels around europe people were hardly believing i am Turkish... i had to show my id... but this was kinda sad and was also flattering after hearing "wow, then there are some nice Turks aswell"

19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:49 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

I cannot agree with what you are saying over here, as during my travels around europe people were hardly believing i am Turkish... i had to show my id... but this was kinda sad and was also flattering after hearing "wow, then there are some nice Turks aswell"

 

what is it you dont agree exactly?

Tell us how using those words in the context given is NOT RACIST..

Think of a context like similar to Ros´s new..Think that some foreigners says ´Oh Look at this . Turks are coming along with their culture, education etc etc..´ and suddenly another person is coming along and saying ´a donkey is still a donkey even with a golden saddle´

That is a racist comment to me..

 



Edited (5/28/2010) by thehandsom

20.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 02:01 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

what is it you dont agree exactly?

Tell us how using those words in the context given is NOT RACIST..

Think of a context like similar to Ros´s new..Think that some foreigners says ´Oh Look at this . Turks are coming along with their culture, education etc etc..´ and suddenly another person is coming along and saying ´a donkey is still a donkey even with a golden saddle´

That is a racist comment to me..

 

 

I was just defending the proverb itself

 

Your example at the moment is just a proof to my idea... proverb itself cant be racist, but the usage of it by a person can make it sound as so. So its the users mistake

 

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