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Another look at Armenian Genocide claims
1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Nov 2010 Sat 07:38 pm

BRUCE FEIN on ARMENIAN CLAIMS OF GENOCIDE

 

Who is Bruce Fein?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Fein

 

What does Bruce Fein has to say about this issue?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-fein/lies-damn-lies-and-armeni_b_211408.html

2.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 23 Nov 2010 Tue 01:29 pm

If you name a thread "another look" than it should be "another look", and not a lawyer who is paid by the Turkish Coalition of America I don´t have a strong opinion on the Armenian issue, since I just don´t know what is true or not. I am still waiting for a respectable historian, who is not linked to any kind of political party or biased organization. I mean...come on.... he worked under Reagan! He should write a scientific publication, which can be checked and tested. It´s too easy to write columns about this issue, since you can just write your opinion. I could even write a column about it!

3.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Nov 2010 Tue 04:23 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

If you name a thread "another look" than it should be "another look", and not a lawyer who is paid by the Turkish Coalition of America I don´t have a strong opinion on the Armenian issue, since I just don´t know what is true or not. I am still waiting for a respectable historian, who is not linked to any kind of political party or biased organization. I mean...come on.... he worked under Reagan! He should write a scientific publication, which can be checked and tested. It´s too easy to write columns about this issue, since you can just write your opinion. I could even write a column about it!

 

You don´t have a strong opinion and still you are sure he´s wrong.

 

Here are some quotes from the article:

Boghus Nubar, then Head of the Armenian Delegation to the Paris Peace Conference (1919), wrote to the French Foreign Minister Stephen Pichon: "The Armenians have been, since the beginning of the war, de facto belligerents, as you yourself have acknowledged, since they have fought alongside the Allies on all fronts, enduring heavy sacrifices and great suffering for the sake of their unshakable attachment to the cause of the Entente...." Nubar had earlier written to the Foreign Minister on October 29, 1918, that Armenians had earned their independence: "We have fought for it. We have poured out our blood for it without stint. Our people played a gallant part in the armies that won the victory."

I don´t see a biased opinion here. He just refers to a historical document.

At the Peace Conference, Armenian leader Nubar stated that 280,000 remained in the Empire and 700,000 had emigrated elsewhere. Accepting those Armenian figures, the number of dead would be 280,000. George Montgomery of the Armenia-American Society estimated a prewar Armenian population of 1.4-1.6 million, and a casualty figure of 500,000 or less. Armenian Van Cardashian, in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1919, placed the number of Armenian dead at 750,000, i.e., a prewar population of 1.5 million and a post-war figure of 750,000.

He just refers to a historical document. And he bases his opnion on Aemenian figures.

From 280,000-750,000, Armenians initially raised their death count to 800,000 to test the credibility waters. It passed muster with uninformed politicians easily influenced by campaign contributions and voting clout. Armenians then jumped the number to 1.5 million, and then 1.8 million by Armenian historian Kevork Aslan. For the last decades, an Armenian majority seems to have settled on the 1.5 million death plateau--which still exceeds their contemporary estimates by 200 to 500 percent. They are now testing the waters at 2.5-3 million killed as their chances for a congressional genocide resolution recede. It speaks volumes that champions of the inflated death figures have no explanation for why Armenians on the scene would have erred.

I don´t see any biased opinion in these quotes. Can you?

4.       scalpel
1472 posts
 23 Nov 2010 Tue 05:29 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 I don´t have a strong opinion on the Armenian issue, since I just don´t know what is true or not. I am still waiting for a respectable historian, who is not linked to any kind of political party or biased organization.

 

It seems you like history too. Here is a document (not linked to any kind of political party or biased organization) that you may find interesting. I also recommend it to the Turkish members of TLC because it is really so interesting.

http://dlxs.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=cent;cc=cent;rgn=full%20text;idno=cent0055-1;didno=cent0055-1;view=image;seq=145;node=cent0055-1:18;page=root;size=s;frm=frameset;



Edited (11/23/2010) by scalpel
Edited (11/23/2010) by scalpel
Edited (11/23/2010) by scalpel

5.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 23 Nov 2010 Tue 07:51 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

You don´t have a strong opinion and still you are sure he´s wrong.

 

 

I am not saying he´s wrong, he just can´t convince me he´s right. Saying things in a column is easy, there is no checking of the facts by the editors or others. This is a lawyer, not a historian, stating his opinion about the Armenian issue. Just because some American lawyer who is linked to a Turkish organization has this opinion, doesn´t make it right or wrong.

6.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Nov 2010 Tue 08:02 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I am not saying he´s wrong, he just can´t convince me he´s right. Saying things in a column is easy, there is no checking of the facts by the editors or others. This is a lawyer, not a historian, stating his opinion about the Armenian issue. Just because some American lawyer who is linked to a Turkish organization has this opinion, doesn´t make it right or wrong.

Well as I quoted he refers to the historical documents of Armenians not Turks. You say you don´t believe their validity??

 

7.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Nov 2010 Tue 09:46 pm

 What is wrong with the formating of this thread. I can´t see the right side where it should say "post reply" ?

This is a very interesting link scalpel. Thank you for posting it.

Quoting scalpel

 

 

It seems you like history too. Here is a document (not linked to any kind of political party or biased organization) that you may find interesting. I also recommend it to the Turkish members of TLC because it is really so interesting.

http://dlxs.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=cent;cc=cent;rgn=full%20text;idno=cent0055-1;didno=cent0055-1;view=image;seq=145;node=cent0055-1:18;page=root;size=s;frm=frameset;

 

 

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8.       si++
3785 posts
 24 Nov 2010 Wed 10:43 am

 

Quoting alameda

 What is wrong with the formating of this thread. I can´t see the right side where it should say "post reply" ?

 

I don´t have any problem with this thread. My browser is FF.

 

 

 

 

9.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Nov 2010 Wed 04:43 pm

Another FF user here and no problems witht he way the page displays. Do you have all updates for the browser you´re using?

10.       alameda
3499 posts
 24 Nov 2010 Wed 08:42 pm

Guess it was my browser, Opera 10.63. The page shows fine in FF and Chrome (which I hardly EVER use), and even Opera 11. (which is a beta)

I love Opera, but sometimes it´s buggy. What I like is the ability to tile sessions, nice widgets and I can close it and come back to whatever pages I was on, although I will have to log in again in most of them.

Firefox is great with the automatic updates.

Quoting Daydreamer

Another FF user here and no problems witht he way the page displays. Do you have all updates for the browser you´re using?

 

 



Edited (11/24/2010) by alameda [add]

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