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Using ´if´ in Turkish sentences, the ´ise´ suffix
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20.       scalpel
1467 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 01:17 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

But there seems to be no aorist (even though I expected it)...

 

  Gallia valisi onu durdurmaya çalıştıysa da, yenilgiye uğradı.

 

Keep expecting.. It also could be written as this:

Gallia valisi onu durdurmaya çalışsa da başaramadı.*

 

*( I prefere başaramadı to yenilgiye uğradı in this sentence)      

 

 

21.       Abla
1595 posts
 28 Mar 2012 Wed 12:57 pm

 

For expressing real conditions in verbal clauses V + AOR + -se… is used:

Acele et|mez|se|n, treni kaçıracağız. ‘If you don’t hurry…’

 

When the condition is unreal, se is attached straight to the verb stem V + -se…:

Erken yat|sa|ydı|n, yorgun olmayacaktın. ‘If you slept early…’

 

Wishes are spoken out with the same formula. 

 

The above rule has been explained in a hundred threads before. But I still want to make sure how it works in existential (var/yok) and nominal (‘to be’/değil) sentences.

 

I choose as simple examples as possible:

 

‘If…’

Real condition

‘If…’

Unreal condition

Çocukları var.

Çocukları varsa…

‘If he has children…’

Çocukları olsa(ydı )…

‘If he had/had had children…’

Çocukları yok.

Çocukları yoksa…

‘If he doesn’t have children…’

Çocukları olmasa(ydı )…

‘If he didn’t have/hadn’t had children…’

Çocuklar evde.

Çocuklar evdeyse…

‘If the children are at home…’

Çocuklar evde olsa(ydı )…

‘If the children were/had been at home…’

Çocuklar evde  değil.

Çocuklar evde değilse…

‘If the children aren’t at home…’

Çocuklar evde olmasa(ydı )…

‘If the children weren’t/hadn’t been at home…’

 

 

In other words, when the condition is unreal the verb ol- is called for help.

 

Have I understood this correct? Are the translations in the table as they should be?



Edited (Mar 28) by Abla

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