Dear someone ... I have almost got the hang of -dik participles ... but I am more than a bit confused regarding the Negative form ... for example:-

(Benim) geldiğimde >means> at the time of my coming

How can I say > at the time of my NOT coming?

It will help if someonecan give a few apt examples of NEGATIVE participles, using few common verbs as -dik nouns.

Say using, yapmak, etmek, sevmek, gitmek, aramak, istemek, yazmak, bağlamak, imzalamak ...

[using third person] Will it be >> yapmazdigi, or, yapmamadigi ... imzalamazdigi, or, imzalamamadigi ... etc. ??? 

... it gets a bit more confusing when -la, laş, -lan, etc are added to the verb stem.

I don´t even know if I am talking sense or nonsense !!

Thanks

Tazx1

I don´t know if this helps you but I always think the negative verb stem is another stem:

         gel|mek - gelme|mek

         kullan|mak - kullanma|mak.

When you want to make a -dik- participle which verb form do you start with: the infinitive. Then drop -mek- and add what you need. Believe me, they are so regular that it is almost dull.

Forget about personal inflection. Use the infinitive. In infinitives the negating suffix is always -me- or its variant. If the person has to be marked as it often has it will come after -dik- as the possessive suffix.

Sense

Pretty true It´s another stem.. 

That´s true

gelme.dik.im = gelmediğim

gelmediğim

gelmediğin

gelmediği

gelmediğimiz

gelmediğiniz

gelmedikleri

scalpel, abla, gokyumu ... thank you all.

Actually the ´-me´ of the ... as in ´gelme´ [short form] instead of ´gelmek´ [infinitive] confuses me as to whether it is ´-me´ [for negative]

I now understand a bit better.

For example ... ´bildik´ as a verb [at the end of a sentence] would normally mean ´we knew´.

But ´bildik bir şey´ would mean > a known thing ... by its position in the sentence we can tell whether it is a ´-dik´ participle or a verb !!! ... thus ...

yap+tik+i [yaptigi] bir şey > thing that was done by he/she/it [affirmative]

yap+ma+dik+i [yapmadigi] bir şey > thing that was NOT done by ..... 

yapildigi bir şey > thing which was done.

yaplimadigi bir şey > thing that was NOT done.

At age 72 I am a bit of a dim-bulb ... you see.  Thanks to you all ... Harika if I am right .....  if I am wrong

Tazx1

I respect your effort, Tazx1. I also wish to stay in the state of learning through my life and become a sharp and funny grandmother when the time comes.

I am no master of Turkish nor English but I think you are doing fine. Let me tell you a couple of things in your translations that paid my attention as a fellow learner:

1. You translated yaptığı/yapmadığı bir şey with passive and agent which maybe doesn´t change the basic meaning. But still active is active and I would say ´the thing that she did/didn´t do´.

2. -dik- participle doesn´t actually carry a time aspect of its own. It adapts to the tense of the main clause. Thus  -  depending on how the sentence is to be continued  -  the action of the participle can be either in the present or the past. For example yapıldığı bir şey ´the thing that was done/is done´. It can be anything but future (this I am not sure about but let´s see if someone is going to jump to correct it).

yap+tik+i [yaptigi] bir şey > a thing that was done by he/she/it [affirmative] 

yap+ma+dik+i [yapmadigi] bir şey >a thing that was NOT done by ..... 

yapildigi bir şey > thing which it was  made of. Discard "bir" from this sentence.

yaplimadigi bir şey > thing that it was NOT made of.

yapılan şey the thing which was/is done

Thank you gokuyum ... I am glad to be in the company of a senior.  It gives me heart.

I take note of your correction ... but how shall I say

>´thing that was/is NOT done´ <  ????

Tazx1