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1.       Abla
3647 posts
 08 Jan 2012 Sun 08:49 pm

Does

 

Ankara’da bulunuyor

 

literally mean ’he/she/it is found in Ankara’ or ’he/she/it finds himself in Ankara’ ?

2.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 08 Jan 2012 Sun 10:06 pm

 

Quoting Abla

Does

 

Ankara’da bulunuyor

 

literally mean ’he/she/it is found in Ankara’ or ’he/she/it finds himself in Ankara’ ?

It seems passive here but it has a meaning "He is in Ankara"

 



Edited (1/8/2012) by gokuyum

3.       Abla
3647 posts
 08 Jan 2012 Sun 11:52 pm

I knew the meaning and I always thought it was passive but I suddenly noticed it could be reflexive, too.

What about this:

               Mübarek’in açıklamasını yeterli görülmedim.

görülmek looks like a passive form but in my opinion it doesn´t fit the picture.

4.       scalpel
1472 posts
 09 Jan 2012 Mon 12:11 am

 

Quoting Abla

I knew the meaning and I always thought it was passive but I suddenly noticed it could be reflexive, too.

What about this:

               Mübarek’in açıklamasını yeterli görülmedim.

görülmek looks like a passive form but in my opinion it doesn´t fit the picture.

 

"Ankara´da bulunuyor" is reflexive..

..

The sentence should either be

Mübarek´in açıklamasını yeterli görmedim (1st person active )

or

Mübarek´in açıklaması yeterli görülmedi 

I think it should be the latter..

Görülmek is passive and fits the picture.. What makes you think that it doesn´t?

 

5.       Abla
3647 posts
 09 Jan 2012 Mon 12:45 am

No I quoted it correct. It was Mübarek’in açıklamasını yeterli görülmedim. It was here and I saw the video before it disappeared:

 

http://sahiden.aladagbilisim.com/videos/711/basbakan-erdoganmubarekin-aciklamasini-yeterli-gorulmedim.html

 

It must have been a misspelling (and of course from all the material this one jumped into my eye). Strange that it was this much wrong in the headline.

 

After your correction, scalpel, everything is in its place in the sentence even in my opinion.

 

But as the matter of fact I found it when I was looking for something else. As a result of a serious blackout I couldn’t remember if passive verbs take other persons than sg 3rd. And: yes, they do.

 

Dün tam 8 kişi tarafından dövüldüm.

6.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 09 Jan 2012 Mon 12:51 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

"Ankara´da bulunuyor" is reflexive..

 

 

Are you sure? Can you give me a link about it? I dont say you are wrong. But it doesnt make sense to me. Can you explain the logic under it?

 

7.       scalpel
1472 posts
 09 Jan 2012 Mon 01:25 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

Are you sure? Can you give me a link about it? I dont say you are wrong. But it doesnt make sense to me. Can you explain the logic under it?

 

 

Yes, I am sure.. In the passive voice, the subject is acted upon by somebody or something. (example: kaçak, polis tarafından Ankara´da tesadüfen bulunuyor )  In the sentence "Ankara´da bulunuyor" (=> He is in Ankara) there is nobody or nothing acting upon the subject, on the contrary, the subject acts upon itself, doesn´t it?

 

 

8.       scalpel
1472 posts
 09 Jan 2012 Mon 01:55 am

Yes, they do .. 

görülürüm - I am seen

görülürsün - you are seen

görülür - he, she, it is seen

görülürüz - we are seen

görülürsünüz - you are seen

görülürler - they are seen

 

görüldüm - I was seen

görüleceğim - I will be seen

etc.

9.       Abla
3647 posts
 09 Jan 2012 Mon 01:55 pm

All right. Thank you. I don´t know why it is so difficult for me to understand there is a real, real subject in a passive clause.

10.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 09 Jan 2012 Mon 04:44 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Yes, I am sure.. In the passive voice, the subject is acted upon by somebody or something. (example: kaçak, polis tarafından Ankara´da tesadüfen bulunuyor )  In the sentence "Ankara´da bulunuyor" (=> He is in Ankara) there is nobody or nothing acting upon the subject, on the contrary, the subject acts upon itself, doesn´t it?

 

 

 

Thank you for the explanation

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