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1.       Yarvik364
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 20 Jan 2013 Sun 12:07 pm

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Edited (7/23/2016) by Yarvik364

2.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 20 Jan 2013 Sun 12:11 pm

 

Quoting Yarvik364

 

1. Bana yiyecek bir şey verebilir misin?

2. Bana yemeyi bir şeyi verebilir misin?

 

 

Sentence 2. is wrong, but why exactly?

 

Cheers,

Robert

 

Because there is no connection between yemeyi and bir şey. And such a connection is not possible. But "yiyecek" functions as an adjactive when it is placed before "bir şey" and they have a connection because of this. 

3.       Yarvik364
162 posts
 20 Jan 2013 Sun 02:20 pm

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Edited (7/23/2016) by Yarvik364

4.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 20 Jan 2013 Sun 02:29 pm

 

Quoting Yarvik364

Aha, I understand. Thank you.

I also found something about the adjectival usage of -(y)AcAK in the Routledge Comprehensive Grammar. They talk about a "copular adjectival marker" {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}.

Yes. 

Ex. yemek is a verb. If I add ecek sufix I make it an adjective. So it becomes an adjective verb. You can use an adjective verb as a noun too. Is it complicated?

 

5.       Yarvik364
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 01 Feb 2013 Fri 08:25 am



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Edited (7/23/2016) by Yarvik364

6.       mltm
3690 posts
 01 Feb 2013 Fri 12:44 pm

and also you do not use accusative case for indefinite objects like "bir şey".

7.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Feb 2013 Fri 02:01 pm

 

Quoting mltm

and also you do not use accusative case for indefinite objects like "bir şey".

 

Bir şeyi de yap.

Bir şeyi de bil.

8.       mltm
3690 posts
 01 Feb 2013 Fri 02:08 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

Bir şeyi de yap.

Bir şeyi de bil.

 

but i think it is just exceptional idiomatic common usage. because you always say:

- Sana bir şey söylücem. (not "bir şeyi")

- Bir şey yapmamız lazım.

 

 

But it deserves a more extensive research.



Edited (2/1/2013) by mltm
Edited (2/1/2013) by mltm

9.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Feb 2013 Fri 07:43 pm

 

Quoting mltm

 

 

but i think it is just exceptional idiomatic common usage. because you always say:

- Sana bir şey söylücem. (not "bir şeyi")

- Bir şey yapmamız lazım.

 

 

But it deserves a more extensive research.

 

Exceptional or not they are accusative

10.       mltm
3690 posts
 01 Feb 2013 Fri 07:58 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

Exceptional or not they are accusative

 

I do accept that they are accusative. That is why I call them exceptions

 

"istisnalar kaideyi bozmaz."

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