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1.       sufler
358 posts
 06 Sep 2013 Fri 04:36 pm

Merhaba,

A headline of a Turkish online article I found says 3. köprüde bir ilk!

I started translating it as "A first... on the third bridge", but I quickly realized there´s something missing... Shouldn´t there be a noun after the adjective "ilk" so that we knew what is the first thing on the bridge?

Btw, from the same article:
(...) Yavuz Sultan Selim Köprüsü´nün proje finansmanı için, 7 banka katılımı  ile 2.3 milyar ABD doları tutarlı kredi sözleşmesi imzalandı. 

(my translation: A loan agreement for 2.3 billion dollars, consistent with the participation of 7 banks, was signed for financing the project of the bridge of Yavuz Sultan Selim.)

1.) In english we´d rather say "financing of the project of the bridge" whereas the Turkish expression (marked in orange) suggests it is the financing of the bridge and the word "proje" seems left-out sufixless in the middle... shouldn´t it be köprüsü´nün projesinin finansmanı?

2.) Explain to me please, in the part marked in red about the banks participation is translated correctly.. because I´m not sure how something can be consistent with participation of banks.. Does it simply mean that the agreement was signed with the banks?

2.       Abla
3647 posts
 06 Sep 2013 Fri 06:01 pm

[[[Yavuz Sultan Selim] Köprüsü´nün] 1 [proje 2 finansmanı]] için

 

If a member of a compound queue  -  like proje here -  is not marked with possessive suffix it means it is not connected with the previous word köprü. I have marked the compound structure with brackets above.

 

2  There is an economic term proje finansmani ‘project finance’ which is defined a method of financing where the lender accepts future revenues from a project as a guarantee on a loan”. projenin finansmanı has another meaning and it is ‘project financing’ in English.

 

My try for the translation of this part:

 

...for the project finance of Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge. 

 

http://blogs.law.uiowa.edu/ebook/uicifd-ebook/what-project-finance-and-how-does-it-work-0

 

3.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 08 Sep 2013 Sun 12:32 am

 

Quoting sufler

Merhaba,

A headline of a Turkish online article I found says 3. köprüde bir ilk!

I started translating it as "A first... on the third bridge", but I quickly realized there´s something missing... Shouldn´t there be a noun after the adjective "ilk" so that we knew what is the first thing on the bridge?

?

 

ilk becomes a noun in this example. As you said, it means ´the first thing´ by only saying ´ilk´

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4.       tomac
975 posts
 08 Sep 2013 Sun 09:52 pm

 

Quoting sufler

2.) Explain to me please, in the part marked in red about the banks participation is translated correctly.. because I´m not sure how something can be consistent with participation of banks.. Does it simply mean that the agreement was signed with the banks?

 

Ad 2) Maybe tutarlı here is just an adjective describing "kredi" and it is not related to other words? In this way we would have to translate "tutarlı kredi" - perhaps it is "fixed interest rate loan", that is loan with rate which doesn´t change over time? I guess in our beloved Polish it is "kredyt stały"...

Just a guess though - waiting impatiently for help from our Turkish experts



Edited (9/8/2013) by tomac
Edited (9/8/2013) by tomac

5.       si++
3785 posts
 09 Sep 2013 Mon 08:01 am

 

Quoting tomac

 

 

Ad 2) Maybe tutarlı here is just an adjective describing "kredi" and it is not related to other words? In this way we would have to translate "tutarlı kredi" - perhaps it is "fixed interest rate loan", that is loan with rate which doesn´t change over time? I guess in our beloved Polish it is "kredyt stały"...

Just a guess though - waiting impatiently for help from our Turkish experts

 

Yavuz Sultan Selim Köprüsü´nün proje finansmanı için, 7 banka katılımı  ile 2.3 milyar ABD doları tutarlı kredi sözleşmesi imzalandı.

 

Tutar = amount

2.3 milyar ABD doları tutar-ı = an amount of 2.3 billion US$

This is a compound noun and -ı is 3rd sg possesive suffix which is dropped when you add -li suffix:

2.3 milyar ABD doları tutar- = with/at an amount of 2.3 billion US$

2.3 milyar ABD doları tutar-lı kredi = a credit with/at an amount of 2.3 billion US$

 

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6.       tomac
975 posts
 09 Sep 2013 Mon 08:18 pm

(this moment when one thinks: how I couldn´t see this {#emotions_dlg.head_bang} 

 

Thanks a lot, Si++! Now it´s crystal clear

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