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An open source alternative to Pimsleur (spaced repetition technique)
1.       osmantekin
14 posts
 06 Jan 2014 Mon 02:44 pm

Hi everyone, it´s been a lot of time since my last post here, i had no internet connection.

Now i´m an entrepreneur with 2 projects on my back and the next coming right now.

What is it you may ask? Let me tell you.

 

I don´t know how many of you know Pimsleur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimsleur_method)

for those who don´t here´s an excerpt:

Quote:

from wikipedia
The Pimsleur method (sometimes billed as the Pimsleur Language Learning System, or Pimsleur Approach) is an audio-based language acquisition method developed by Paul Pimsleur that stresses active participation over rote memorization. During lessons, the listener repeats words and phrases given by native speakers and constructs new phrases by inference. As new phrases are introduced, the listener is prompted to recall older phrases. The prompts for any given phrase are gradually spaced out in ever-increasing intervals.

 

Well very nice till you see the prices going up to ~$400. And still you don´t learn it to a fully extent.

So what´s my project? Make an open source version where everyone has the ability to afford learning a language to near-fluency. It will be funded by donations spread amongst the people working on the project.

So here´s what i need:

  • A native english speaker.
  • A native turkish speaker (my voice sucks {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}).
  • A story writer.
  • Proofreader (could also be both story writer and proofreader).
  • Marketer (optional).

 

I will develop the website and software as that´s my field of work this moment.

 

I´m open to every opinion.

2.       iodine
23 posts
 06 Jan 2014 Mon 05:46 pm

did you know we can find this already on the internet and youtube for free

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=learning+turkish+grammar&sm=1

http://quizlet.com/1849310/turkish-flash-cards/



Edited (1/6/2014) by iodine

3.       osmantekin
14 posts
 06 Jan 2014 Mon 06:45 pm

Yes i do. But they´re not as effective as spaced repetition learning techniques. Don´t know if you know (what a twist of words) Pimsleur, but it doesn´t dwelves into the grammar or other difficult matters, you just learn as a child would (see: naturally/effortlessly/whatever). Anyway the grammar is teached inconsciously.

Better way than to keep studying till late for years and causing health issues. Look it at this way: books -> awake till night -> little sleep -> stress -> -20 years life expectation...well maybe not so dramatic but we´re there if you think about it. In the other way spaced repetition learning techniques are more like this: 15-30 minutes interactively listening -> sleep whenever you want -> the day after another 15-30 minutes -> sleep -> after one week more than 10 words learned effortlessly.

Edit

 

You mentioned flash cards. They use a similar technique but are noway as effective as an interactive LISTENING session.



Edited (1/6/2014) by osmantekin
Edited (1/6/2014) by osmantekin

4.       iodine
23 posts
 06 Jan 2014 Mon 07:50 pm

do you mean like these?

http://www.everytongue.com/story/turkish-english.htm

http://www.turkishlisteninglibrary.com/listen-now.html

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/turkish-listening-library/id385318645?mt=2

5.       osmantekin
14 posts
 06 Jan 2014 Mon 08:54 pm

 

Quoting iodine

do you mean like these?

http://www.everytongue.com/story/turkish-english.htm

http://www.turkishlisteninglibrary.com/listen-now.html

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/turkish-listening-library/id385318645?mt=2

 

No. It´s a different learning technique based on how the human brain acquires information, and on 1 to ~1000 pyramidal words pattern. It works by recalling an information right before you´d lose it.

This is what the spaced repetition technique is about:

Quote:


Spaced repetition is a learning technique that incorporates increasing intervals of time between subsequent review of previously learned material in order to exploit the psychological spacing effect. Alternative names include spaced rehearsal, expanding rehearsal, graduated intervals, repetition spacing, repetition scheduling, spaced retrieval and expanded retrieval.[1]

Although the principle is useful in many contexts, spaced repetition is commonly applied in contexts in which a learner must acquire a large number of items and retain them indefinitely in memory. It is therefore well suited for the problem of vocabulary acquisition in the course of second language learning, due to the size of the target language´s inventory of open-class words.

 

 

This is an example of how it would work:

Quote:

We will call the american male speaker "Dennis", and the turkish female one "Ceylan".

English speaker: "Listen to this turkish conversation."

Dennis: "Merhaba, ingilizce biliyormusun?"
Ceylan: "Hayır, bilmiyorum."
Ceylan: "Sen turkçe biliyormusun?"
Dennis: "Evet biraz biliyorum."
Ceylan: "Amerikalı misin?"
Dennis: "Evet amerikalıyım."

English speaker: In the next 5 minutes you´ll learn not only to understand this conversation but to take a part in it yourself. Imagine an american man sitting next to a turkish woman, he wants to begin a conversation, so he says "hello".

Dennis: "Merhaba."

English speaker: The turkish speaker is going to repeat this word part by part starting from the end. You are to repeat each part after him trying to make your pronunciation sound like his. Be sure you repeat aloud.

Dennis: "ba"
Dennis: "ha-ba"
Dennis: "mer-ha-ba"
Dennis: "merhaba"

English speaker: how do you say hello in turkish?

wait 2 seconds for your reply...

Dennis:.."Merhaba"

English speaker: Now you want to ask her if she understands english, literally if she knows english. First the word english, listen and repeat.

Dennis: "İngilizce"

Dennis: "ce"
Dennis: "giliz"
Dennis: "in"
Dennis: "gilizce"
Dennis: "in-gi-liz-ce"
Dennis: "ingilizce"

English speaker: How do you say english?

wait 2 seconds for your reply...

Dennis:.."İngilizce"

English speaker: Say hello.

wait 2 seconds for your reply...

Dennis:.."Merhaba"

English speaker: You should repeat what the speaker says, trying to sound like him.

Dennis: "ingilizce"

English speaker: Say again, english.

wait 2 seconds for your reply...

Dennis: "İngilizce"

....

 

 

Going further with such a lesson for about 15 minutes will teach you effortlessly around ~5 words.

 

P.S. I managed to learn english this way in less than 5 months Smile



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Edited (1/6/2014) by osmantekin
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6.       iodine
23 posts
 06 Jan 2014 Mon 09:41 pm

impressive if you were able to use as a language learning tool.

I did a little research on this technique and it seems to be a great learning tool for remembering what you understand and learn not to:

the following is copied from internet regarding this technique:

It’s spaced repetition, not spaced learning

Put as briefly as possible, SRS is about reviewing something the moment before you forget it, thus reinforcing your knowledge without wasting time reviewing things you actually would remember without reviewing. This basic principle is well researched and works very well. I think most people who has tried using SRS know about this.

However, this doesn’t mean that you should just import 1000 words from the internet into your SRS and start hacking away (and I don’t mean “hacking” as in “language hacking” here). That isn’t repetition, that’s learning, and a very detached, artificial learning at that. In my opinion, learning something means that you first acquire basic knowledge and understanding about something. Reviewing is about retaining that knowledge over time.

In the case of characters, this might mean looking up radicals and creating mnemonics, for words it might mean to understand the individual characters and link them together in a meaningful way. In this way, SRS becomes a method of reinforcing what you already know. As such, it is very efficient indeed. See my character learning challenge for more about this.

This is why I think it’s usually a good idea to create your own flashcard rather than simply import them from somewhere else, even if you end up with a list containing the same words (such as if you download a list for the textbook you’re currently using). If you create the deck on your own, you learn the words as you go along and you’re more or less forced to have an active attitude towards the cards in the deck. Creating cards on your own isn’t a waste of time, it’s a way of learning. It also makes sure that the quality of the cards remain high.



Edited (1/6/2014) by iodine
Edited (1/6/2014) by iodine

7.       osmantekin
14 posts
 06 Jan 2014 Mon 10:10 pm

I agree on most of the written things, but i disagree that with creating your own flashcards would get you fluent in the same timeframe and commodity as with spaced repetition learning, and anyway with srs you would have the same if not more active attitude toward it. Look http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_49231. It was a post i wrote years ago where i had calculated the 1000 most common words in turkish and ordered them by frequency. They could be used as a pyramidal aid along srs.

Now think about this: how did you learn your first language as a kid?

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