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-di -eli (ulaçlar)
1.       Lillita
11 posts
 05 Apr 2014 Sat 08:23 pm

Herkese merhaba! Wink

 

I can´t seem to get a firm grasp on the usage of the grammar construction "-di -eli" (for example: gittin gideli). The example sentences that are supposed to make clear the rules seem far too confusing to me. In my final desesperation I have tried to come up with my own theory about the whys and wherefores of this grammar phenomenon. I would really like to understand it once and for all, so I wonder if someone can have a look at the sentences and the explanations I have created to illustrate my way of seeing this piece of grammar.

 

Basically we use it to convey the meaning of "since".

 

If the action since which something else has happened is POSITIVE, and the thing that has happened is NOT a DEFINITE amount of time but rather another action, then we use both the "-di" particle and the "-eli" particle in our sentence as well:

 

Çalışmaya başladım başlayalı sabahları erken kalkıyorum.

Almanya´ya gitti gideli beni hiç aramadı.

Babam emekli oldu olalı evde oturuyor.

 

If the action since which something else has happened is NEGATIVE, we use ONLY the "-eli" particle, no matter whether the thing that has happened is a DEFINITE amount of time or an ACTION.

 

Onunla görüsmeyeli yıllar oldu.

Seninle konuşmayalı sekiz yıl oldu.

Onunla görüşmeyeli çok şey değişti.

 

If the action since which something else has happened is POSITIVE, but the thing that has happened is a DEFINITE amount of time, the usage of the "-di" particle is optional.

 

Üniversiteyi (bitirdim) bitireli beş sene geçti.

Film (başladı ) başlayalı on dakika oldu.

 

Does it make any sense or not even close? {#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

Thank you very much in advance!

Toodles {#emotions_dlg.bye}

 

 

 

 



Edited (4/5/2014) by Lillita

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2.       si++
3785 posts
 06 Apr 2014 Sun 04:30 pm

Seems to me that you get all of them right!

Quoting Lillita

Herkese merhaba! Wink

 

I can´t seem to get a firm grasp on the usage of the grammar construction "-di -eli" (for example: gittin gideli). The example sentences that are supposed to make clear the rules seem far too confusing to me. In my final desesperation I have tried to come up with my own theory about the whys and wherefores of this grammar phenomenon. I would really like to understand it once and for all, so I wonder if someone can have a look at the sentences and the explanations I have created to illustrate my way of seeing this piece of grammar.

 

Basically we use it to convey the meaning of "since".

 

If the action since which something else has happened is POSITIVE, and the thing that has happened is NOT a DEFINITE amount of time but rather another action, then we use both the "-di" particle and the "-eli" particle in our sentence as well:

 

Here you can drop the (-di) part as well with so much change in the meaning. It´s existence only makes some emphasis on what seems to a starting point (from then on up till now).

Çalışmaya (başladım) başlayalı sabahları erken kalkıyorum.

Almanya´ya (gitti)gideli beni hiç aramadı.

Babam emekli (oldu) olalı evde oturuyor.

 

If the action since which something else has happened is NEGATIVE, we use ONLY the "-eli" particle, no matter whether the thing that has happened is a DEFINITE amount of time or an ACTION.

 

Onunla görüsmeyeli yıllar oldu.

Seninle konuşmayalı sekiz yıl oldu.

Onunla görüşmeyeli çok şey değişti.

 

If the action since which something else has happened is POSITIVE, but the thing that has happened is a DEFINITE amount of time, the usage of the "-di" particle is optional.

 

Üniversiteyi (bitirdim) bitireli beş sene geçti.

Film (başladı ) başlayalı on dakika oldu.

 

Does it make any sense or not even close? {#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

Thank you very much in advance!

Toodles {#emotions_dlg.bye}

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3.       GulBahar
224 posts
 16 Jul 2014 Wed 01:07 am

According to this post and as I got it, is that when the action is negative we don´t double the verb. 

Like we don´t say gitti gidmeyeli. 

Değil mi?

4.       GulBahar
224 posts
 16 Jul 2014 Wed 04:11 am

Bir adıl katılsam cümleye ne olacak?

Ben gelmeyeli çok zaman olmuş mu,

Benim gelmeyeli çok zaman olmuş mu?



Edited (7/16/2014) by GulBahar

5.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Jul 2014 Wed 04:26 pm

 

Quoting GulBahar

Bir adıl katılsam cümleye ne olacak?

Ben gelmeyeli çok zaman olmuş mu,

Benim gelmeyeli çok zaman olmuş mu?

 

Sen gelmeyeli çok zaman oldu = It´s been a long time since you last came, It´s been a long time during which you didn´t show up

 

With double negative:

Sen gelmeyeli çok zaman olmadı = It´s not been a long time since you last came, It´s not been a long time (period) during which you didn´t show up

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6.       GulBahar
224 posts
 17 Jul 2014 Thu 12:21 am

Çok teşekkür ederim. 

7.       GulBahar
224 posts
 17 Jul 2014 Thu 02:27 am

One more question please. 

In this -eli form we place the period of time (if available) after the verb with -Eli suffix. Unlike -den beri or -düğünden beri in which it´s placed before. Right?

Like:

- Ben tatil yapmayalım 2000´de. 

- Ablam ve eniştem evleneli bir yıl oldu. 

 

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