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-tır -dır -tir -dir -T
1.       seanthegutsy
11 posts
 17 Jul 2014 Thu 11:52 am

Hey, Everyone. This is Sean from Izmir. I got confused by this conjugation, I would like to kindly ask for your help. 

 

Almak-Aldırmak

Yapmak-Yaptırmak

Çekmek-Çektirmek

Aramak-Aratmak 

Göndermek-Göndertmek 

 

I wanna ask you advanced learners or Turkish friends that why -t is used instead of -dir, -tır, is there a written grammar rule, or I just should remember this usage without understanding it. 

 

Plus, the other day I went to tömer and had a sample test, according to them, I would be able to get a B2 certificate, and I really want C1, I wonder if you know any Tömer Turkish teachers who live in izmir. I want some private lessons from him or her. 

 

 

Thanks! 

2.       tunci
7149 posts
 17 Jul 2014 Thu 12:39 pm

 

Quoting seanthegutsy

Hey, Everyone. This is Sean from Izmir. I got confused by this conjugation, I would like to kindly ask for your help. 

 

Almak-Aldırmak

Yapmak-Yaptırmak

Çekmek-Çektirmek

Aramak-Aratmak 

Göndermek-Göndertmek 

 

I wanna ask you advanced learners or Turkish friends that why -t is used instead of -dir, -tır, is there a written grammar rule, or I just should remember this usage without understanding it. 

 

Plus, the other day I went to tömer and had a sample test, according to them, I would be able to get a B2 certificate, and I really want C1, I wonder if you know any Tömer Turkish teachers who live in izmir. I want some private lessons from him or her. 

 

 

Thanks! 

 

Hi Sean, 

Forming causitives there are exceptions , however they roughly work as follows :

 

The variant forms of causative suffix are distributed in their use as follows:

 

-dir [dır, dur, dür " ] 

After verb forms ending in a consonant except for those ending in "l " or " r "and having more than one syllable.

 

-t 

After verb forms ending in a vowel except for the two verbs  ye- and de-which are followed by -dir --->

yedir -

dedir -

Also, after polysyllabic verb forms ending in " l " or "r ".

 

-ır 

After about tweny monosyllabic verb roots.  

bat-

bit-

doğ-

duy-

düş-

geç-

iç-

kaç-

piş-

yat-

 

ut-

After a very few monosyllabic verb roots ending in "k"

kok-

kork-

 

er-

After four or five monosyllabic verb roots.

çık-

 

Note : The transitive verb forms of gel-git- and gör- are, quite irregularly,                                                     getir, götür- and göster

 

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3.       tunci
7149 posts
 17 Jul 2014 Thu 12:46 pm

 

There is also a case called ----> FACTITIVITY 

 

The difference between Factitivity and Causitivity in Turkish is ;

The factitive verbs are formed from an intransitive verbs [verbs that dont take an object] and it [verb] becomes transitive [verb that can take an object] by using "-dİr, -t, -r"  suffixes;

Uyumak --> To sleep --> Ben uyudum [ no object in this sentence]

Uyutmak -->  Çocuğu uyuttum [I made the child sleep ] --> Object is "the child"

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The causitive verbs are formed from already transitive verbs [verbs that takes object] and it [verb] still stays transitive by adding same suffixes "-dİr, -t, -r" .

Note that we can increase the transitiviness level of the verb by adding another suffix !

içmek ---> içirmek [to make someone to drink something] --> içirtmek [ to get someone to get someone to drink something

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In causitive forms we get [hire] someone to do the action whereas in factitive forms the person himself/herself perform [we dont get anyone to do] the action.

Çocuğu uyuttum --> I made the child [fall in] to sleep. --> Here I MYSELF made the child to sleep.

Dadıya bebeği uyutturdum --> I got nany to make the child [fall in ] to sleep.--> Here I GOT NANY to make the child to sleep.

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4.       seanthegutsy
11 posts
 17 Jul 2014 Thu 01:24 pm

Tunci, you are alway so helping. You are the godfather in here, we turkish learners worship you! Your the best! 

5.       tunci
7149 posts
 17 Jul 2014 Thu 04:39 pm

 

Quoting seanthegutsy

Tunci, you are alway so helping. You are the godfather in here, we turkish learners worship you! Your the best! 

 

You are welcome Sean but don´t exaggerate. Every one is best here. Learners doing their best and teachers doing their best too.

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