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Suffix -miş(tir)
1.       rainier
6 posts
 03 Aug 2014 Sun 12:25 pm

Hi,

I have two questions about the suffix -miş.

1) I was reading a Turkish text, the biography of Sinan Akçıl, and I came across a structure I couldn´t understand.
The sentence was: "Sinan Akçıl, 20 Mayıs 1982 tarihinde Hollanda’nın Leeuwarden şehrinde doğmuştur."
Now, I know that "doğmuştur" comes from the verb "doğmak" which means "to be born".
Why is the suffix -miş used here, and why is the suffix -tir used here?

2) I asked a Turkish person how to say that the battery of my phone was empty. He said: "Şarjı bitmiş". Why do I use -miş here?

Thanks a lot!

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2.       tunci
7149 posts
 03 Aug 2014 Sun 01:16 pm

 

Quoting rainier

Hi,

I have two questions about the suffix -miş.

1) I was reading a Turkish text, the biography of Sinan Akçıl, and I came across a structure I couldn´t understand.
The sentence was: "Sinan Akçıl, 20 Mayıs 1982 tarihinde Hollanda’nın Leeuwarden şehrinde doğmuştur."
Now, I know that "doğmuştur" comes from the verb "doğmak" which means "to be born".
Why is the suffix -miş used here, and why is the suffix -tir used here?

2) I asked a Turkish person how to say that the battery of my phone was empty. He said: "Şarjı bitmiş". Why do I use -miş here?

Thanks a lot!

 

The sentence was: "Sinan Akçıl, 20 Mayıs 1982 tarihinde Hollanda’nın Leeuwarden şehrinde doğmuştur."


- muştur here is more formal usage of past tense.

It is same as simple past  "doğdu ". It´s just we try to be  more stylish and formal by saying like that.


  Şarjı bitmiş. Its out of battery. 

He used this reported past because he did NOT witness when your phone run out of battery.

Another example : 

You come home and turn the TV on, but it doesn´t work. And when you report this to your friend you say " Televizyon bozulmuş , çalışmıyor. " 

Since, tv gone broken while you were not there, you did not witness the process of its got broken.

 



Edited (8/3/2014) by tunci

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3.       Esra98
49 posts
 03 Aug 2014 Sun 01:26 pm

We use "-mış,-miş" when we realize that situation which is hear after sometime. For example,you lost your keys and you realize that after 30 minutes.Then you say:" Anahtarlarımı kaybetmişim." 

And also writers prefer using "-mış,-miş" to using "-dı,-di,-tı,-ti" in their essays,books,articles...

Or you can use "-mış,-miş",when you didn´t know before but you heard then from somebody else.For example; "Bora,bugün eve gideceğini söylemiş." (You learnt this but before you didn´t know, then somebody told you.)

Generally writers use this tense when they write fairytales. "Once upon a time" is in Turkish = "Bir varmış bir yokmuş " (Because these events are not real.)


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4.       rainier
6 posts
 03 Aug 2014 Sun 01:48 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

The sentence was: "Sinan Akçıl, 20 Mayıs 1982 tarihinde Hollanda’nın Leeuwarden şehrinde doğmuştur."


- muştur here is more formal usage of past tense.

It is same as simple past  "doğdu ". It´s just we try to be  more stylish and formal by saying like that.


  Şarjı bitmiş. Its out of battery. 

He used this reported past because he did NOT witness when your phone run out of battery.

Another example : 

You come home and turn the TV on, but it doesn´t work. And when you report this to your friend you say " Televizyon bozulmuş , çalışmıyor. " 

Since, tv gone broken while you were not there, you did not witness the process of its got broken.

 

 

I still don´t understand the use of -miştir in this case.. Why is it also allowed to write doğdu if I didn´t witness the act?

Also, is it correct that if I see the battery decreasing, I would say "şarjı bitti"?

5.       tunci
7149 posts
 03 Aug 2014 Sun 02:03 pm

 

Quoting rainier

 

 

I still don´t understand the use of -miştir in this case.. Why is it also allowed to write doğdu if I didn´t witness the act?

Also, is it correct that if I see the battery decreasing, I would say "şarjı bitti"?

 

* If you see battery is decreasing then you should say " Şarjı bitiyor " or " Şarjı azalıyor " ---> Its battery is going down [decreasing]

* But when no battery left,and you witnessed all process, then you say " Şarjı bitti "


Yes, you didn´t witness that birth of that person but however , since it is well-known fact that person who is famous has been born in that date. That´s why you can use just doğdu. You don´t need to be witnessed .

For example , We all know that Ataturk was born in 1881, this is a well-known fact since he is a famous person, so, we didnt need to witness that, we just know it , cus it is a fact that every body knows. so we can say 

Atatürk 1881 yılında doğdu.

Likewise that person you mentioned in your sentence must be a famous person, that is mentioned in newspaper or book. 

 

In normal case, for example, when you report the date of your friend to another friend, you should use -muş. Since Ali is not a famous public figure that is mentioned in books. 

 

Ali 1977´de doğmuş.  

Ali 1977 doğumluymuş.

 



Edited (8/3/2014) by tunci

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6.       rainier
6 posts
 03 Aug 2014 Sun 02:55 pm

Your explanation is super clear! Thanks a lot for helping! 

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