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01 Dec 2014 Mon 10:02 pm |
Merhabalar! I am puzzled by this sentence that I came across in my Turkish textbook:
Bana göre o hakikaten bilinmez bir şeydir.
The book translates it this way:
As I view it, that is something which really can´t be known.
I am puzzled because I would have guessed that instead of "bilinmez," you would use a present participle: bilinmeyen.
Also, "bilinmez" is aorist, correct? So literally, this would seem to mean "is not known." But the book says "can´t be known."
I´m sure that I´m just mixed up about this, or that this is something I have not encountered before. As always, I appreciate your help! Teşekkürler!
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04 Dec 2014 Thu 11:00 pm |
Bilinmez is aorist passive.
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05 Dec 2014 Fri 05:25 pm |
Hi there,
I am not a native speaker but I think the translation is correct. I remember reading about this and asking myself the same question. I believe that adjectives derived from the aorist tense has something to do with ability, for example, the opposite of the word you´re asking about, "bilinir", is translated as "cognoscible", there´s also "anlaşılır" which can mean "understandable" . I can´t however guarantee you that my answer is correct, i´m just a beginner : ) .
Good luck.
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07 Dec 2014 Sun 11:12 am |
I guess what puzzles me is how "bilinmez" connects to "bir şeydir." I know that a participle like "uyuyan" has a "that" or "which" built into it. So, "uyuyan kedi." Or "the cat that is sleeping." Correct? Does "bilinmez" work the same way? Is it also a participle? I have seen the aorist used only as a verb, so that was why I was surprised. ... Teşekkürler!
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07 Dec 2014 Sun 12:12 pm |
I don´t think it works the same way, it has no WHO/THAT ..etc, i.e not relative. It works the same way as a standard adjective, it describes the word following it. Hopefully this helps solve your problem : )
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19 Dec 2014 Fri 10:25 pm |
Merhabalar! I am puzzled by this sentence that I came across in my Turkish textbook:
Bana göre o hakikaten bilinmez bir şeydir.
The book translates it this way:
As I view it, that is something which really can´t be known.
I am puzzled because I would have guessed that instead of "bilinmez," you would use a present participle: bilinmeyen.
Also, "bilinmez" is aorist, correct? So literally, this would seem to mean "is not known." But the book says "can´t be known."
I´m sure that I´m just mixed up about this, or that this is something I have not encountered before. As always, I appreciate your help! Teşekkürler!
Bana göre = for me
hakikaten = in fact
bilinmez = unknown (verb"bil"+passive"in"+nigative aorist"mez"
bir şeydir = thing
in fact it´s an unknown thing for me.
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20 Dec 2014 Sat 09:45 am |
Merhabalar! I am puzzled by this sentence that I came across in my Turkish textbook:
Bana göre o hakikaten bilinmez bir şeydir.
The book translates it this way:
As I view it, that is something which really can´t be known.
I am puzzled because I would have guessed that instead of "bilinmez," you would use a present participle: bilinmeyen.
Also, "bilinmez" is aorist, correct? So literally, this would seem to mean "is not known." But the book says "can´t be known."
I´m sure that I´m just mixed up about this, or that this is something I have not encountered before. As always, I appreciate your help! Teşekkürler!
Which book are you using? Can you please provide me ?
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20 Dec 2014 Sat 10:02 am |
Which book are you using? Can you please provide me ?
The book is called "Elementary Turkish" by Lewis V. Thomas, who was a professor of Oriental studies at Princeton University. It was originally published in the late 1960s, then re-edited and published again in the 1980s. I have run across a few things in it that seem outdated -- some finer points that people here at Turkish Class have told me are no longer observed -- but for the most part it is a good beginner book. It seems to contain all the basics. I don´t know if you have access to Amazon, but I have seen it for sale there. ... Hope this helps.
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21 Dec 2014 Sun 01:39 pm |
Thank You! ... I am insearch of any partner or any place here where I can talk with the members..? P.S. I am new here.
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