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1.       Tazx1
435 posts
 13 Aug 2015 Thu 08:50 pm

Hello native speakers,  I am confused by the word ´Arılmış´ it can convey two different meanings (1) Parted, Departed (2) Reserved, allocated !!!

To add to my confusion [Ayrılmak = depart] .. & .. [Ayırmak = Reserve, allocate], so according to me >> Reserved ought to be [Ayır-ıl-mış] .. & .. Depart ought to be [Ayrıl-mış] ... and being dislexic I find this truly daunting.

I can vaguely recall some rule about the transpositi of  i, and ı ... but can´t remember it.

Can some kind knowledgable person kindly help me??

2.       harp00n
3993 posts
 13 Aug 2015 Thu 11:10 pm

 

Quoting Tazx1

Hello native speakers,  I am confused by the word ´Arılmış´ it can convey two different meanings (1) Parted, Departed (2) Reserved, allocated !!!

To add to my confusion [Ayrılmak = depart] .. & .. [Ayırmak = Reserve, allocate], so according to me >> Reserved ought to be [Ayır-ıl-mış] .. & .. Depart ought to be [Ayrıl-mış] ... and being dislexic I find this truly daunting.

I can vaguely recall some rule about the transpositi of  i, and ı ... but can´t remember it.

Can some kind knowledgable person kindly help me??

 

Basic explanation  is ;

Ayrılmak  = depart (from) 

Ayırmak  = separate  

3.       tunci
7149 posts
 14 Aug 2015 Fri 07:46 pm

 

Quoting Tazx1

 

I can vaguely recall some rule about the transpositi of  i, and ı ... but can´t remember it.

 

 

In Turkish language , some verbs that derived from the suffix of –il such as “ayrıl-, devril-…” and are being used by dropping the medium syllable vowel indicates both the feature of “reflexive framework verb” and “passive framework verb”. These verbs convey a “reflexive meaning” when they become the predicate of some sentences and in some sentences, they convey a “passive meaning ” The number of these kind of verbs is 9. They are ;

 

Ayır -à  ayrıl-

 

Çevir -à çevril-

 

Devir -à devril-

 

Evir -à evril-

 

Kavur -à kavrul-

 

Kıvır -à  kıvrıl-

 

Savur -à  savrul-

 

Sıyır -à sıyrıl-

 

 

Yoğur -à yoğrul-

 



Edited (8/14/2015) by tunci

4.       Tazx1
435 posts
 15 Aug 2015 Sat 02:54 am

Thank you exceedingly tunci for a ´muhakkak´ explanation ...

I am dislexic ... you can see the spelling errors I have made in framing the original question ... but, thankfully, you understood exactly what my problem was ... Thanks.

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