Merhaba classmates!

I can't find now the post, but Caliptrix shared with us the MFO lyric named: Tam Ortasındayım, i saw this words in the lyric:

sabretmeye
Sevmeye
öğrenmeye

I guest "meye" is suffix, but i can't find the meaning.
Some body can explain the meaning? and the rules to use them.

Tesekkurler.

I think that -meye is not a suffix.
I think that you are talking about a verbal noun + dative case.
To make a verbal noun, you have to add -me or -ma to the root of a verb (or it's the same that saying that you have to drop the k in an infinitive verb). The verbal noun tell us the action of the verb.
For example:
konuşmak: to talk
konuşma: the talking

I can say 'Öğrenmeye başladım': I began to study.

I hope it can help you.

natiypuspi is right. The 'y' in 'gelmeye' is a buffer letter* and the last 'e' in 'gelmeye' is the dative case**.

Why is there a dative case suffix in these words? Because these words must be an object of a verb that takes the dative case.

For instantance these are verbs that take the object in dative case:

-e çalışmak : to try x
-e başlamak : to begin to x
-e alışmak : to get used to x
-e gitmek : to go to x
The x is the object that takes the dative case.

examples:
gitmeye çalışmak : try to go
sevmeye başlamak : start to like
okula alışmak : to get used to school
sabretmeye alışmak : to get used to be patient
eve gitmek : to go to home
İstanbul'a gitmek : to go to İstanbul
yüzmeye gitmek : to go swimming, to go to swim

In the last examples above the first word is the object (e.g. "gitmeye") and the second word is the verb (e.g. "çalışmak").

As you see the object can be a noun (like okul) or a verbal noun (like sabretme). It doesn't matter.

These two sentences have the same transitive verb in the same noun state (dative). Dative case means "to", "towards".

"Doktora gittim."
"Yüzmeye gidiyorum."

In a sentence you will see the verb conjugated. For instance you will usually not see "sevmeye başlamak" but you will see it conjugated (with tense and personal suffix):

"Bugün Türkçe öğrenmeye başladım."

The 'e' in öğrenmeye connects the object "öğrenme" to the verb "başlamak".

If you have taken the words 'sabretmeye','sevmeye','öğrenmeye' from sentences then look to the predicate of that sentence. The predicate of that sentence (usually at the end) must be a transitive verb that takes the dative case.

It is pre defined what transitive verb takes objects in what noun case.

Examples:
"-i sevmek",
"-den hoşlanmak",
"-e gitmek",
"-den gelmek",

In other words, it is always "-i" case with "sevmek" and always "-den" case with hoşlanmak. Of course some transitive verbs takes can take objects in multiple cases. In this case the meaning changes.

Examples:
1. "-e gitmek" : to go to x
"Ankara'ya gidiyorum." "I go to Ankara."
"Yüzmeye gidiyorum." "I g swimming"

2. "-den gitmek" : to go from x
"Ankara'dan gidiyorum." "I'm going from Ankara.", "I'm leaving Ankara."

* We put a buffer inbetween whenever two vowels come next to each other. Y is the most common buffer. There are also s,ş,n buffers.

** The dative case suffix is -e or -a depending on vowel harmony. If the last vowel is a back vowel (a,ı,o,u) you continue with a back vowel, -a in this case, and if the last vowel is a front vowel you continue with a front vowel, -e in this case for dative case of nouns.

as usual this is great and easy to understand
I need a few days to spend on this but am sure it will sink in ....eventually

Best thing I ever did finding this site

Cheers or should I say şerefe
Erdinc

Erdinç,

Couldn't it be a negative repetitive case ?

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