lol yes... thanks Miss C, anladim
i guess i should practice more

np.. and u are practicing like this.. ur doing great dw... ull be speaking TR in no time.. im sure of it
we can try some more sentences now if u want...? ill be glad to help you coz i know what it feels like to want to learn a language and then have no help..

ok...so...

Türkçe daha çok çalışmam lazım, ama özgür zamanımı azdır

You don't need to worry about making a mess around. I will clean up anyway.

Open your dictionary, find a verb in English, look for its Turkish translation with the -mek -mak suffix at the end and build a sentence using a word or word group either from list one or two.
If you can make a basic sentence with the infinitive there is hope that you can progress with other complicated tenses. I consider the infinitive to be the first stepp becuase afterwards you can progress by adding other suffixes.

Hi everyone. I'm new here, but I want to learn, so here goes my first Turkish sentence:

Uyumak istemiyorum çünkü okumak istiyorum. = I don't want to sleep because I want to read. :-S

Türkçe daha iyi konuşmak istiyorum, ama ne yapayım, türkçe o kadar kolay bir dil değil. Türkçeyi iyice öğrenmek için çok çalışmak gerek.

Seticio,
your sentence is very well build and has some advanced suffixes. I think you could easly start reading simplified Turkish stories. The problem is that these kind stories are not existing but a few of us are currently working on this project.

Fafna oyuncak edjerham.
O Türkçe ben öğreniyor yardım etmek istiyor!

Mağaza gitmek istiyorum.
Biralar almak lazım!

Dükkan is better but I didn't mention every single detail as there is already enough distraction for you. Mağaza is more likely to be a departmental shop.
You can say "birkaç bira" or just "bira" but not biralar. It is like milk and not milks.

a)Bu Bayramdan sonra istanbul'a gitmek istiyorum
After this Bayram, i wanna go to Istanbul

b)Hastaneye muayeneye gitmem lazım, ama doktordan çok korkuyorum
I need to go to a hospital to have exams, but i m afraid of doctors

c)Ben,hiçbir zaman evimin penceresi kapamiyorum, çünkü güneş ışığıdan kalkmak seviyorum
I never close my home's windows'(stors), because i love to wake up from sunlight

Oh i bet they are all wrong!!!

Yarın bugünden daha erken uyanmak istiyorum çünkü bugün çok geç kaldim.

your sentence is correct...but we give no merits...

what about mine ya??

Very slight errors in (c)

Ben hiçbir zaman evimin penceresiNİ kapaTmıyorum, Çünkü
güneş ışığı ile uyanmayı seviyorum.

Kalkmak: to rise up
Uyanmak: to wake up

thank you dostum. for taking time to correct those

Bu akşam yemek pişirmek istiyorum için kız arkadaşm.
Ben yemek almak lazım böyle dükkana gitmek gerekli.

"Tonight I want to cook dinner for my girlfriend.
I need to buy food so have to go to a shop."

"Tonight I want to cook dinner for my girlfriend.


bu akşam kız arkadaşım için yemek pişirmek istiyorum.

Güzel bir gurup görmek istiyorum.

"I want to see a beautiful sunset."

Gerçekten buna bütçem müsait değildir, ama ona satın almak istiyorum çünkü çok güzel.

I think it's completely wrong...

I meant....

" I really can't afford this, but I want to buy it because it's nice."

Erin Türkiye’ye gitmek istiyor en ,ama gitmebilir çünkü bugünlerde pek meşgul.

Erin wants to go to Turkiye, but she cannot go now because she is very busy.

~~Oh goodness,I'm pretty sure that I got the whole second half of the sentence wrong!~~

Yarın akşam yemeği için ne yemek istersin?

"What would you like to eat for dinner tommorrow?"

Am I somewhere close?????

Yes, I will. I have been very busy recently and was abroad last few days. I will check them all.

I better give you another one to look at then while you are about it

Ben yakağam gidiyorum lazım çünkü çok yorgunum var. Yarın geç uyanmak istmiyorum.

"I need to go to my bed because I am very tired. I do not want to wake up late tomorrow"


(Saat on ikiyi yirmi bir geçiyor) (12:21)

OK, here it goes:

Hi bod,
we don't need to use the possessive adjectives (benim, senin, etc) if the stress is not on the possessive adjective itself.
Example:
Oyuncak ejderham kayboldu.
My toy dragon has got lost.

Here I'm not pointing to the fact that it was my toy dragon but I'm pointing to the fact that it got lost. On the other hand the following sentence is different:

"Fafna benim oyuncak ejderham."
"Fafna is my toy dragon."
Here I'm telling that it is mine. When you add the possessive subjective it will make it clear that it is mine or yours or its etc. and this sentence obviously is pointing to the fact that it is mine. In other words the toy dragon being mine is not just incidentially mentioned here but is the essence of the sentence.
Even when with a different translation the stress can more from mine to toy dragon still being mine is strong enough to be stated.

O Türkçe öğrenmede bana yardım ediyor
öğren+me+de: verb stem + verbal noun suffix + Locative case

öğrenmek: infinitive
öğren: verb stem
me (ma) : verbal noun suffix
de (da): locative case for nouns
öğrenmede: by learning

"kitap okumak" as you see it is common while "günbatımı görmek" is uncommon. So the verbal noun case sound more natural and less eye catching. But you can say:

Seni görmek istiyorum.
Bu filmi görmek istiyorum.

You could stick with the infinitive to make it easier.

1. Güzel bir günbatımı görmek istiyorum.
2. Güzel bir günbatımı görmeyi istiyorum.

The first sentence sounds strange as seeing a sunset is not the same kind of action as seeing a film, reading a book or eating a dinner. It feels like when you say "Güzel bir günbatımı görmek istiyorum" you are expecting somebody to appear and say "Yes, Sir. Just a second please. Would you like anything else with the sunset" It is like saying "Let's arrange things in such a way that I can see a nice sunset".
A movie director could say "güzel bir günbatımı görmek istiyorum" if somebody has control over the sunset with some technical light effects or such or if they are talking of the sunset in the film which is changeable in computer environment. "Show me a nice sunset here and remove these birds in the sky. Make the red a little darker. I want to see a nice sunset here."


"Günbatımını görmek istiyorum" would be a strong sentence. It has the accusative case so "I want to see THE sunset" where the sunset is the direct object I'm referring to. It is clear which sunset I want to see. But we can't use this in 1 or 2 since "güzel bir", "a nice" is implying that it is undefinitive and I'm not interested which sunset it is but just it has to be nice.

No removing the bir increases the problem. Now we have a noun phrase with "güzel günbatımı" and this is indicating that there is something existing such as "nice sunset" and "uggly sunset".

Güzel bir film izlemek istiyorum.
I would like to watch a nice movie.

Film izlemek istiyorum.
a. I want to watch movies.
b. I want to watch a movie.

Filmi izlemek istiyorum.
I want to watch the movie.

Bu filmi izlemek istiyorum.
I want to watch this movie.

These are correct but we cant say:

Güzel filmi izlemek istiyorum.
I want to watch THE nice movie.

as there is no such thing as "the nice movie" where the movie is a certain movie and is described as nice movie, it is incorrect because there is no matching object in the real world to "the nice movie". It sounds unnatural. But if somebody comes and asks you the following it can be OK.

-Hey buddy. I have two movies. One is a weird movie and the other is a nice movie. Which one would you like to watch?
-Güzel filmi izlemek istiyorum.
Here it is correct.

I'd actually be interested in one of your stories too, because I'd like to help with reading material next year. N it would be good to see how you do it.

As soon as my own turkish course starts, I'm planning to write little stories. Those texts should each handle a certain grammar-aspect. For example, a text based upon Present Continous Tense forms. Easy, with vocabulary lists so that you learn whilst reading.

I was rather disappointed myself that i couldnt find any good reading material. Therefore i'd like to write my own and put it on the website here somehwere, so that others wont get disappointed.

maybe bod can put it somewhere so others can benefit as well. By the way we are working on the subject this year (2006) and not next year.

Mine are very short and very simple. We are working on a project of much moe complicated books starting from 200 words and ending with 1500 words. But lets see this with time.

Well i always forget that i talk in academic years, which will still be 2006..

Plus i think any reading material would be welcome, don't you think? No matter what time. Because the learning goes on anyways

Does anyone know where to find Turkish folkstories? I'd like to simplify those in Turkish.

I have send you a story of Ömer Seyfettin. This is the story others are working on and we will compare the works afterwards and discuss. I havent yet simplified this story but I hope I will as well.

Thanks Will take me ages to read tho

Because if i'd do this, i'd find the dutch translation and write my simplified dutch evrsion and translate that one in turkish

This is a cool challenge, but i won't have it finished by the time you start to discuss i guess I will make a start anyways.

When is it 'scheduled'? N how long is it supposed to be?

We will work more than one year on this project and we have just started. There are a few of us and others are welcome to join as long as they can simplify a given Turkish text. Of coures we will ask our foreign members for feedback when something comes up. Our members will be the first ones to know.
You could maybe help checking if a text is easy enough or not.
By the way I like your idea on a text being limited with certain grammer issues. We are already working on this idea.

Ok, i'd like to help so ask when needed. I feel quite useless here, only asking for help instead of giving.. feels really annoying tbh.

I guess i can simplify it, so I'll try my bestest.

Yes well.. i guess when you study a language yourself, and your own material is insufficient.. you start thinking soon which things are useful. So i guess any of the learners here should always say what would make their learning easier.

I think my biggest problem is tho, that i want to learn too fast in too short time. No language can be learnt in only a couple of weeks. Tho therefore i think we should all toast for Bod, because he definitely makes fast progression!!

Bod sana kişisel mesaj gönderdim.

Here you can see a list of possessive suffixes after a consonant and vowel:

http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/possadj.htm
Quote from that page:

Thanks bod. I corrected it now.

Thank you bod.

To get back to the subject of Mastar Hali......

Poppy en yaşlı köpeğimiz.
Bugün yaş günüsü. O on beş günü!

Kalıpda kutlamak istiyorsun!

Poppy is our oldest dog.
Today is her birthday. She is 15 years old!

She wants to celebrate with a cake!

Merhaba. Beni taniştirmak istiyorum. Çek cumhuriyetindenim. Ãœniversitede Arapça öğrenmem lazim ama Türkçe öğrenmek istiyorum, çünkü bu dili çok beğeniyorum

(It´s still difficult to express in turkish for me, hope there aren´t much mistakes...)

To get back to Mastar Hali:

Yatakımda kız arkadaşım.
Şimdi gitmek ve onun kucaklamak istiyorum.
Sonra uyuyacağız

My girlfriend is in my bed.
Now I want to go and to hug her.
Then we shall sleep

Whoops - found another problem......

Should it be:
Yatağımda kız arkadaşım ???

When the verb is not at the end the sentence will be more poetic.
"Yatağımda kız arkadaşım" (In my bed my lover) is a poetic and nice sentence. When constructed this way except the obvious 1. "Kız arkadaşım yatağımdadır" sentence it is also possible to be a version of 2. "Yatağımda kız arkadaşım var" or 3. "Yatağımda kız arkadaşım yatıyor". If we assume the first option then the verb is there and the sentence is a inverted sentence. If we assume the second or third option then the sentence has a verb which is invisible but still something you can guess. In a sentence if the verb is not written and still you can unederstand wich verb it is then it is possible not to write it.

In both cases the sentence looks alright to me. Not a sentence for daily speech but a good one as a poetic line.

If people do understand what verb you mean than you can drop the verb.
Example:
-Ne zaman Ankara'ya gideceksin?
-Yarın (gideceğim).

Let me write a few lines to continue bod's sentence.

Yatağımda kız arkadaşım
Aklımda düşÃ¼nceler
Uzaklarda bir melodi
Ve dilimde kelimeler

Merhaba Gizli Yüz,
this could be a good idea but might not apply to the current situation. If gunesh had known the correct version of that sentence than we would have seen the correct sentence instead the sentence we had seen, wouldn't we? On the other hand if you don't know the correct version how can you search for it in Google?

So Google comparision works only if you have two options in hand. But the good point about your example is that you have included quotation marks in your search. When two or more words are within quotation marks the seach engines search for the exact phrase. This is a nice hint to know for the newbies.

Şimdi giyinmem lazım çünkü dışarıya gitmem gerek.
Dışarıda çok soğuk ama yüzmek gitmek istiyorum.

and what if I wanted to say "It is SO cold outside but STILL I want to go swimming".
How would you put that contradiction in a sentence?

The second sentence was missing "yine de". I now have corrected it. They all meant to be examples with "yine de".

The second and first sentence are the same with the exception that one uses gitmek and the other gitmeyi. Why have I done this? Easy: To show both can be used.

Thank you for explaining.

Gitmeyi has the accusative case suffix as bod explained. Maybe what you have read is something else. It could be this:

gidebilmek
koşabilmek
yapabilmek

Verbal nouns can take all case suffixes.

konuşma : Bu çok güzel bir konuşma oldu.
konuşmaya : Şu konuşmaya bak. Ne saçma.
konuşmayı : Sizinle yaptığımız bu konuşmayı hep hatırlayacağım.
konuşmada : Bu konuşmada beni rahatsız eden birşey var.
konuşmadan : Bu konuşmadan hoşlanmadım.

yüzme : Yüzme dersi alıyorum.
yüzmeye : Yüzmeye gidelim mi?
yüzmeyi : Yüzmeyi sever misin?
yüzmede : Sırt üstü yüzmede ne var? Çok kolay.
yüzmeden : Yüzmeden yüzmeye fark var.

I think I now understood what Elisa meant. The verb in my example was istemek and it can take a direct object.


gitmek: intransitive verb. Doesnt take direct object (no accusative case with nouns or verbal nouns)

istemek: transitive verb. Takes direct object (accusative case) -i istemek

Bu dondurmayı istiyorum.
Yüzmeyi istiyorum.
Gitmeyi istiyorum.
Fransızca konuşmayı istiyorum.

yüzmek (to swim)*: intransitive verbs. Doesnt take direct object (accusative case)

bilmek: transitive verb. Takes direct object

İngilizce konuşmayı biliyor musun?
Yolu biliyor musun?

* we have other verbs as yüzmek which are transitive but yüzmek as to swim isnt.

so the correct way to say i want to go is:
gitmeyi istiyorum
but we can still say
gitmek istiyorum
right?

yeah thanks for pointing that out.. it was obvious what i meant.. i apologise.. im not thinking straight tonight...
and bod, u sound more of an expert than me.. :S
i think one day i will be asking you to teach me turkish!!

I teach Turkish in London and I can ensure you that most lecturers who work in colleges and universities here don't speak Turkish very well.

Even in GCSE Turkish tests that were written by some of them, there are obvious mistakes. Most of these guys (Especially for London) are Cypriots who have been living in the UK for 20 years and have forgotton proper Turkish long ago.

There is no difference bod. Feel free to use both versions.

Thanks Erdinç - another bit of clarity in my mind

Just to check my understanding.......
Because okumak has a dictionary entry of "1. /ı/ to read" any subject of the verb must be in the accusative state.

Kitapi okıyorum
I am reading a book

Your understanding is correct. Unfortunately the dictionary entries like /e/i/den etc. dont cover all possibilities. I don't know why they don't. The information given there is correct but it is usually not the whole of possibilities.

I think it is meant to show whether a verb does or doesnt take an object.

/i/ okumak : obviously takes the accusative (direct objects) as you have understood correctly. So "kitabı okumak" would be correct.

There are small nuances. "kitap okumak" is the act of reading books while "kitabı okumak" is defined. The speaker is talking about a certain book. Here it is "the book" and not "a book". There should be some speech supporting the fact that it is a known book. Otherwise it would not a correct expression.

Because you are using the accusative case it is a defined object. This is contradictory with the English term "a book". A book is any book. Either you can read any book or a certain book.

Therefore the first option would fit better.
1. Kitap okuyorum.
I'm reading a book.

2. Bu kitabı okuyorum.
I'm reading this book. (Here look at the book. It is here.)

3. Kitabı okuyorum.
I'm reading the book (and you know what book I'm talking about).

Do all (or at least most) Türkçe dictionaries have the noun state where appropriate next to the verb - or is this just something to do with the dictionary on this site???

Is it a standard thing to find in paper dictionaries?

i am a new member. I need some understanding in building a sentence in Turkish. For example :

English - i want to know
Turkish - bilmek istiyorum

question : if dirct translation it will sound = to know i want. what is the structure of building a Turkish sentence ?

Greetings RAJA FATEHA,
your sentence is correct. In my starting post you will find basic information to build simple sentences. I think you already checked that. So I guess you can build the following sentences as well. Can you?

I want to go to Istanbul. (to Istanbul= İstanbul'a)

I want to live in Istanbul. (in Istanbul= İstanbul'da)

yümek çok güzel ama kolay değil

cheers bod

Evet, haklısınız.

Yes, you are right actually. Indeed there is such a nuance as you explained. I thought you were a Turkish learner and I was trying to keep things simple. You got me on this one.

evet kusura bkma, sanki yabancıyım da soru soruyormuşum gibi olmuş. özür dilerim

I almost never have maked a Turkish sentence and now i'm gonna try, ( Watch the faults )

Lütfen yazar mısınız?


( Can you write it down for me please)

GörüşÃ¼rüz,

Mirjam.

thank you eliza

Is my sentence correct?

Turkish: Hayatin tarizi Turkiye'de Japonya'de cok farkli
English: The life style in turkey is very different from Japan.

Correct ?

Bence de Turkiye'de yaşam tarzı Japonya'dan çok farklı. Sizce hangisi daha güzel?

Doğru mu? Can I ask someone's opinion like this?

Hangisi çok güzel konuşmayabılırım çünkü onlar farklı,onlari mukayese etmeyebiliriyiz....

(I can not say which one is better because they are different, we can not compare.....

I am a complete beginner here but I will try, no laughing at me though

Çalışmak gerekli, ama çok zor(dur).

Im trying to say "It is necessary to study, but it is very difficult".

Can someone help correct it?

Yes, it's correct.

You almost got it right. 'Eğlence' means entertainment. Eğlenceli is 'entertaining'.

"Türkçe öğrenmek çok eğlenceli."

Nilüfer şarkıları dinlemek istiyorum

Türkçe öğrinme hiç zor ama uzun

Can i say,

Seninle olmak istiyorum ?? İ want to be with you

,is it right ?

"Türkçe öğrinme hiç zor ama uzun"
This needs a bit correction. Here are alternatives:

1. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama uzun sürüyor."
2. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama zaman istiyor."
3. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama çok zaman alıyor."

An easier alternative would be:
4. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama çok çalışmak lazım."

Tşkler erdince for Nilüfer Şarkıları

But there 2 thing i need to understand,may i ?

İ can't use hiç in negative sentence alone without değil ?right ?

And,İ've noticed you used a verb at the end of each second part of the sentences,i mean İngilizcede we can say

Studing Turkish not difficult but long

But here is not same, after ama we used a verb sürüyor,istiyor,alıyor :-S

Actually it is the other way. English has a verb on every sentence but Turkish hasn't.

The sentence, "Turkish is not difficult" has the verb "to be" (am,is,are,was,were,has been, have been).

In Turkish we have noun sentences. For instance, these are noun sentences:

1. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil."
2. "Türkçe hiç zor değil."
3. "Türkçe zor değil."
4. "Türkçe çok kolay."
5. "Nilüfer, çok iyi bir müzisyen."
6. "Bu müzik çok güzel."

I only included the second part with a conjugable verb as I thought you wanted to make it that way. Noun sentences don't have a conjugable predicate (a verb that has a -mek form). "Öğrenmek" in the above sentence is a noun and stands there as an object in that sentence.

"Hiç" in the sentences above means "not at all". In other sentences it can mean "none", "never" or "ever".

Negative in noun sentences is either with "değil" or "yok".

Güzel değil. > Isn't nice.
Hiç güzel değil. > Isn't nice at all.

Bende para yok. > I don't have money.
Bende hiç para yok. > I don't have any money at all.

Negative in verb sentences is with negative suffix -me:
Ayşe geldi. > Ayşe came.
Ayşe gelmedi. > Ayşe didn't come.
Ayşe hiç gelmedi. > Ayşe never came.

Onu hiç sevmiyorum. > I don't like her at all.

You can use "hiç" in affirmative verb sentences:

İstanbul'a hiç gittin mi?
Have you ever been to İstanbul?

Ohh İ see,

Tşkler erdinc

İ thought hiç comes only in negative forms

btw,all of you are doing a great job here on the site,i am new here,but it was very useful to me since i came,made me practice Türkçe with others,its not easy to find any Türkler here,so maybe i would forgot what i've learnt,except for you,beside to find the cesaret to use the languge and not afraid to make mistakes,and when i do,i will find friends to correct me

Very good job, Tşkler

Benim seviyorum.
I love my husband?

Gidiyorum Türkçe ö?renmek.
I am going to learn turkish. ..?