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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 02:16 am |
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I am not loosing my temper, ı have a real life, just tired and sleepy. Be right back.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 02:16 am |
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Quoting vineyards: I am not even slightly interested in what sheria says about women travelling alone or what restrictions apply to them. Those restrictions exist in the minds of believers and only apply to them. If you are lucky enough you can find a woman to impose those restrictions on. It really does not make sense to notify people of these prophetic remarks because everyone knows them. Everyone knows what punishments are said to exist for those who don't heed them. It is just a matter of believing or not believing. If you do believe, you are free to enjoy being faithful and right.
If I were a woman and if a man pushed me to wear a scarf, I would consider this a violation of my personal freedoms and I'd be very very angry indeed.
It is funny even Mohammad himself says "Their religion is for them and ours for us." I really have my doubts whether he got the message through some of us.
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suprisingly well said.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 02:19 am |
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Quoting aslı: I am not loosing my temper, ı have a real life, just tired and sleepy. Be right back. |
you cannot win this.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 02:20 am |
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 femme. Dogmas are dogmas
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 02:26 am |
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Quoting aslı: femme. Dogmas are dogmas |
yes, so you can  on dogmas, its useless, i know. 
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 02:30 am |
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the host of the topic is very silent. is puzzled? scared of asli? or didnt expect its not her level? or lost in arguements? 
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 03:29 am |
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Quoting teaschip1: They have abolished prayer in school and now the ten commandments. Know wonder we have so many kids who are unethical and have no morals. |
It is unfortunate that individuals feel their rights have been invaded because they cannot wear their scarves in Universities etc., but as many have said its the law, I also feel my rights have been invaded having to wear a seatbelt, and because I can no longer have a smoke with my coffee in the morning... but its the law. simple.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 05:07 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting KeithL:
Because Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the savior of this country you live in, said not to...
Thats why... |
Ataturk said what? Enlighten me please! |
What is to enlighten? Are you an attorney, a judge? It is the law in this country. I don't need to explain it or reason it to you. Respect it.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:24 am |
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Quoting teaschip1: Freedom of religion in the US, someone mentioned here. I don't think so, especially in schools. They have abolished prayer in school and now the ten commandments. Know wonder we have so many kids who are unethical and have no morals. But it's not prohibited to wear a scarf or a cross of symbolic meaning to school. Before long I'm sure this to will be taken away. It's the minority who suffers! The majority says we should abolish smoking in restaurants even though we have smoking sections. Guess what nearly half the states in the US, you cannot smoke in a restaurant. I have decided over the last few months to change parties, I am now officially a libertarian. One last thing to mention concerning the post, you are permitted to wear head scarves in school & in public in the U.S. however, people do often judge it's book by it's cover. American woman have never really accepted the head scarf here in the U.S. and can't understand in todays world, in a country full of freedom (partially true) why a woman would want to hide herself. I am still puzzled with this as well, I have to admit. Woman are beautiful and shouldn't feel the need to hide their beauty no matter what religion they are. But on the other hand, I would never disrespect that person either. I understand customs and traditions and have a tolerance for such, but most people don't unfortunately. |
Right on! My ex bf is a Libertarian too . And we often talked about homeschooling our kids since public schools aren't that great. Besides, they just produce drones, conformity and worker bees.
If I ever marry a muslim man and my daughters can't go to university because of the headscarf ban, I'd organize a homeschool for the neighborhood girls and besides I collect books so that should be useful. Also, why not start a school for women in East Turkey?
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:33 am |
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Doesn't America's constitution also believe in seperation of religion and state? Keep religion out of public schools. And hardly the same issue as what is going on in Turkey by the way...
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:05 am |
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Quoting Aysenur: We should make a difference between ataturk and Islam.
If you follow ataturk I respect you but if you follow islam you will agree that this case is not correct. This is a personal decision. |
Sorry i cant understand you here, what do you mean to say? Can you expatiate? Do you want to say that people are irreligious if they are being ruled by the laws of Kemal Atatürk? Or do you want to say their religion is Kemalism, something like that? If that is the case, i kindly advise you to read Kuran.
Quoting Aysenur: The best muslim country was at the time of our beloved prophet (SAW). |
Exactly!!! But were there sects at time of prophet? Then why we have sects today, and why each sect divided into thousands of cults? What are their problems? Which one is teaching true Islam?You cannot answer them easily, because everybody thinks differently, and also free to think, so unfortunately you cannot/wont find best muslim country today and in future (Allah knows best) because each one will force you to direct with its own teachings, freedom?No.Thats why(one of the reason) Kemal Atatürk forbid all cults. Because cult leaders can direct illiterate people using religion according to their belief of Islam but if it is not true Islam teaching then what happens? I remind you the “suicide bombers†as an example of todays who are brainwashed by cults, thinks that they will be martyrs and go to heaven directly. Besides are you offended when people call Islam is a terrorism or heaven as a brothel with 72 houris? For myself i am very offended, but most of the people who is not muslim thinks exactly like this. Do you know why?One important reason(branch) of these is the cults of Islam which have got false teachings and who call theirselves muslim.
And in other subject, imo, anyone can wear anything that he/she wants, anyone can wear Hijab, “çarşafâ€, or scarf, anyone can wear mini skirts or even underpants only, if you put all laws aside until it restricts other people’s freedom or moral rules of that society or other people’s belief, so we have laws then we cannot put laws aside.You cannot make people have same mind and thoughts. Everybody can believe whatever they want until it restricts other people’s beliefs. For instance a conservative christian teacher say in US teaching in high school but does not want students who have different religions in class, will US government give this right to her/him due to her/his personal liberty? But sure that teacher has rights not to teach, she/he can choose not to teach. Or suppose a male doctor who does not want to look after female patient because of his beliefs or a female working in tax office who rejects to talk to a man and rejects to do the job of a man because of her beliefs etc. Sure all have rights not to do but how can you surmount them?The answer is laws surely, you cannot always satisfy everybody but this does not mean they dont follow laws, exactly they have choice to not follow the laws but then they surely abide the sanctions of that society. And in Türkiye anyone can wear anything according to moral rules of society except public area which is stated by laws.
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