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Girls :)
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 04:18 am |
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Quoting suzieswimz: One man obviously staring at them realized that I was with them and he actually apologized rather profusely.Very honorable thing to do. |
What you are saying is that this "looking" is actually BAD, disrespectful, degrading. While it's good that he apologized, nonetheless, don't forget that he actually did something that was bad enough that it needed to be profusely apologized for! Just because it's ubiquitous, doesn't make it any less horrible (rather more).
Quoting suzieswimz: My grandfather always said that as long as men have eyes they will look. |
It's men's world we live in dear. What is common is not what is normal or healthy or necessary.
Even though many people may argue that this degrading thing - "looking" (in reality: treating women as sex objects to be used for titillating men) is harmless, I think that this attitude is at the roots of all mysogyny and disrespect for women overall.
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 06:29 am |
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My wife notices beautiful woman 
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 06:35 am |
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Quoting HomeSick: My wife notices beautiful woman |
Maybe that's not what you meant HomeSick, but women commenting on other women's appearance is much like men commenting on other men's bigger balls and saying how much they find them attractive.
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 08:18 am |
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I guess it is a little different for women. For instance, Don't you ever have seen a woman with beautiful hair and think about that ? My wife makes comments on such things time to time such as "What do you think about that style, that color, or the dress she is wearing, she notices such things.. "
It is not like "Wowww!! look at that woman!"
And as for me, I noticed her, didn't I?
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 09:55 am |
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I can only talk from personal experience here...
I have red hair. It's something I'm proud of. But when I walk down the street both in my soon-to-be husband's home town and elsewhere I feel very uncomfortable.
Many many men stare in an obvious way (understandable perhaps if red hair is not seen often)...I hear then passing comments, or gesturing to eachother. My Turkish is not good, but you know when someone is being rude or insulting.
I know that men will always look at women in ANY country. I'm in a loving relationship but I can still notice good looking men (doesn't mean I'd act on it!). Even my partner can notice a pretty woman!
But there is a difference between admiring someone for being handsome/pretty, and looking at someone as an object.
Between "wow, he/she was really handsome/pretty" and "hey baby how about me and you...?"
This isn't general to all turkish men. I don't think its even general to Turkey, but it's where I've experienced it.
I have many wonderful friends both male and female in Turkey BUT I have experienced the negative side to being a foreign female aswell and it does make me uncomfortable.
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 10:15 am |
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Quoting MelekUK: Between "wow, he/she was really handsome/pretty" and "hey baby how about me and you...?"
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A very good point.
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 12:20 pm |
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Quoting HomeSick: Quoting MelekUK: Between "wow, he/she was really handsome/pretty" and "hey baby how about me and you...?"
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A very good point. |
+1
I think it's nice for a woman to be admired for her beauty, but I get so angry when I hear some men talk about women in a degrading way or wolf-whistle and all that. It's really disrespectful, and I notice the way men do that in every country. Unfortunately the media encourages this, everywhere you look women are objectified.
It's rare that a man says 'She's beautiful, isn't she?' like in love stories. It's a real shame that nowadays the world revolves around sex  Maybe I'm too much of a romantic, I don't know.
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 12:35 pm |
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Quoting *Carla Louise*:
I think it's nice for a woman to be admired for her beauty, but I get so angry when I hear some men talk about women in a degrading way or wolf-whistle and all that. It's really disrespectful, and I notice the way men do that in every country. Unfortunately the media encourages this, everywhere you look women are objectified.
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I agree to a certain extent but also feel that if women don't want to be treated as an object - then don't act like one!! While I firmly believe women should wear whatever they want to, I also notice that some women are just as bad as men in judging THEMSELVES on their appearance and competing to look the sexist  !!
If you think of yourself as an object, so will men 
(Sorry Catwoman, it's true)
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 12:40 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting *Carla Louise*:
I think it's nice for a woman to be admired for her beauty, but I get so angry when I hear some men talk about women in a degrading way or wolf-whistle and all that. It's really disrespectful, and I notice the way men do that in every country. Unfortunately the media encourages this, everywhere you look women are objectified.
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I agree to a certain extent but also feel that if women don't want to be treated as an object - then don't act like one!! While I firmly believe women should wear whatever they want to, I also notice that some women are just as bad as men in judging THEMSELVES on their appearance and competing to look the sexist !!
(Sorry Catwoman, it's true) |
Yes I agree with that too, and I also believe that a lot of women out there dress and act as if they want to be seen in that way as well. I sometimes wonder how some women expect men to have any respect for them, when in fact they seem to have no respect for themselves.
It's a vicious circle.
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 12:43 pm |
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Yes. Women should be allowed to wear what they choose. If a woman feels confident in herself and her appearance it is wonderful! Nothing wrong in it if she is happy!
However, I think if a woman chooses to wear things which are a little more revealing, of course she will get more people looking whether it's her intention or not.
Even a woman might say "how short is her skirt?" or "if I had legs like that I'd wear a short skirt too"
I'm not saying a person invites insults by what they wear, but in some cases what they choose to reveal can take attention away from other forms of beauty. Sometimes they are noticed for other reasons :-S
This works both ways...if a man walks up the street with no t-shirt on, do we not notice if he enjoys sports?
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18 Jul 2007 Wed 12:50 pm |
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Quoting MelekUK: However, I think if a woman chooses to wear things which are a little more revealing, of course she will get more people looking whether it's her intention or not. |
+1. And...equally..if a man were to walk along the street wearing just a thong, he would get comments and attention too....... 
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