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Interesting Divorce Law...??
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20.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:36 pm

My grand parents had an arranged marriage. I remember my grandmother telling me about her wedding day and how she was so worried that she would "please" her new husband and his mother. In those days, when you married, you went and lived in your husband's family home until you had children of your own. It seems alien to me, but I know they did it because their families were friends and they thought it would be a good idea to "join forces" so to speak. Lucky for them, they loved eachother very much but in those days, I think they just learned to love eachother. Love was not a romantic concept. Love was loyalty, furthering your families holdings and procreating to ensure your lineage continues. Once you did all that, you were in LOVE....

21.       mey0722
117 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:37 pm

I should also add that although I do agree about family being everything to Turks, I was shocked at the education level of everyone involved in the story. I don't mean this in a demeaning way toward people who are not highly educated at ALL! Just that it sounded like a story of two young kids from a small village, probably religious families - not an educated female doctor and a man who had lived abroad and was a practicing engineer, both in their 30's, who aren't religious (both from Ankara, I believe). I wonder what the divorce statistics in Turkey are by education level, location, age, and number in household???Would be interesting to know.

22.       mey0722
117 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:38 pm

Yes, a long time ago I could see that being the case. But in this day and age, I find it a little shocking. I'm obviously naive. haha

23.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:40 pm

It definately saves you from the stress of dating!! lol lol

24.       Trudy
7887 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:44 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

It definately saves you from the stress of dating!! lol lol



Stress because of dating? No.... it's fun!

25.       mey0722
117 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:44 pm

My friend says he will never marry until he meets "the one." He is too Americanized at this point. Luckily his family back in Turkey accepts this and they don't pressure him to marry. He also says he prefers not to marry a girl raised in Turkey because of how different they would be culturally, as he has been in the U.S. for some time. I thought that was kind of judgemental, but his friend's situation really affected him. He did date a girl from the UK for a while, but said she wasn't "the one."

26.       mey0722
117 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:46 pm

He said Hakan dated a lot when he was younger, mostly European girls while in Turkey. Nobody the family would approve of him marrying though. I am going to call my friend and see if I can get more info out of him about this because now I'm intrigued!! ...hang tight. lol

27.       mey0722
117 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:54 pm

Elisabeth, you are married to a Turk, right? See what he says about this stiuation. I'm very curious. What would he tell my friend to do about it? Stay out of it, I'm guessing! At least that's MY opinion!!! I'd love to have another person to back me up on that advice!!

28.       Turk120807
50 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:56 pm

Wow, what a mess! Not all Turks are in loveless marriages though. Even if arranged ones. But this sounds like a disaster.

29.       teaschip
3870 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 08:57 pm

Quote:

Quoting Elisabeth:



My point is...culturally speaking, I cannot see an American staying with a woman the way a Turk does. HUGE cultural difference!!! An American man would say screw it, get the divorce, and marry. He would also never marry someone he didn't love after a month to please his family. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. I will ask my friend if he knows anything more about this situation.



You have to understand that family is everything to most Turkish people. He loved his family enough to marry this girl that he himself did not love so that his family would be pleased. Now he loves his child too much to leave. It is hard for an American to understand this bond with family because we are raised to be independant of our families. I am sure this man really wanted to leave his wife for a woman that he really loved, but the truth of it is, most Turkish people are governed by strong family ties and traditions in these situations.



+1000 I completely agree with you Elisabeth. Most people are raised to be independant of their families here in America. We don't have arranged marriages, however some families do have certain expectations for their children. Whether it's to marry in the same race and religion, most people choose who they want as a partner.

My question is however, why would he get married then move to the U.S. and leave his wife behind? Whether it's relevant or not I find it unacceptable. You mentioned he didn't love her, but didn't mind having sex with her in the states? So, then she got pregnant and of course he is obligated more than ever to provide for his child. He probably felt he would be abandoning his son, if he were to stay with the American.

People have to make decisions, sometimes it's what they feel is best for them and other times what's best for everyone around them. It's called sacrafice! He sounds like he has sacraficed his happiness, which tragically is what alot of people do today. Whether it's for their spouse, children or financial reasons they just do.

It's hard to understand why or how someone could be so miserable and not decide to take action. But it's a real shocker to see how many people are just that.

Most likely the American has found herself another man and is living happely ever after. It's called survival and living!

30.       mey0722
117 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 09:05 pm

Good point! Yes, Americans do also marry with restrictions in mind such as race, religion, or basically acceptance into the family.

As far as why Hakan went to America, what I recall from the story is that Fatima wanted to get married much sooner than Hakan did and she knew he was going to America for graduate school and accepted this, knowing they would be apart. I think she was a bit older in Turkish standards for not being married yet (she was close to Hakan's age, so probably close to 30 ). Maybe she felt pressure to marry quick because of her age, I don't know. This is how my friend described Hakan coming to the U.S. at least. I thought it was odd too. But I also know a lot of middle easterners who come here married and leave their wives behind for years (okay, Turkey isn't the middle east, but you get my point). Also, I think Fatima did not speak English and that was a big part of why she stayed in Turkey. I don't really know the details of this arrangement though. I'll ask my friend more about this. You have to remember, I only got a third-hand account from a guy's perspective of this situation that took place years ago.

My friend told me this story a while ago and then the divorce debate came up only yesterday (about laws, the EU), so I will see if he has any updates on the situation, including the American. You are right...the American probably moved on. I know I would!

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