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Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?
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20.       scalpel
1472 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 01:18 pm

 

Quoting dilliduduk

 

 *the Srebrenica massacre,the worst since the WW2, massacred some 8.000 muslim men and little boys.

 

 

 Yes, also little boys.{#emotions_dlg.sad}

21.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 01:29 pm

Türk Hükümeti´nin yeni bir açıklaması: "Bu olay, Avrupa Tarihine bir kara leke olarak geçecek."

 

22.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 05:41 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 "Yes, on the map, there is a continent with the name Europe...It is nothing but imagination, a light of a star which it´s been long since it faded. In fact, there has been no continent with the name Europe since 1995...since the day where the Dutch troops* delivered the people of Srebrenica, in the middle of the continent, into the hands of Chetnic butchers...With all its ideals, Europe is burried along with the people of Srebrenica..It is now nothing but just a community of consumers united under the name of Europe. A soulless body...An empty cape...a shaky zombie...

So there is no need to be sad for not entering EU. In fact, there is already nothing called Europe today."

*the Srebrenica massacre,the worst since the WW2, massacred some 8.000 muslim men.

 

First of all, the Dutch didn´t "deliver" the people to the enemy. The horrible thing that happened is that the UN troops didn´t intervene. The reason why is because they were outnumbered. The UN made a horrible miscalculation about what was REALLY going on, and send a handfull of guys there, to keep the peace against a fighting army. Men and women were send there with limited materials on a peace mission, when they were actually sent into a war.

 

Second of all, the massacre is the worst in EUROPE since WW2... I get so irritated by people who just seem to forget that tenthousands of people are dying in bigger massacres, but since it´s usually Africa nobody seems to care. For example, the estimates of people who got killed in Rwanda in the conflict between the Tutsi and Hutu is between half and one million people.

 

The fact that we like to make little continents and fabricated groups of countries makes us forget our humanity. Africa? Who cares, it´s not Europe, right? Oh... Palestine, how horrible... our Muslim brothers... but who in Turkey cares about what is happening in Birma?

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23.       scalpel
1472 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 06:43 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

Türk Hükümeti´nin yeni bir açıklaması: "Bu olay, Avrupa Tarihine bir kara leke olarak geçecek."

 

 

 That´s true.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5780145,00.html

´They didn´t prevent the drama´

Many analysts now place much of the blame for the genocide on the Dutch government. Fearing for the safety of its 450 soldiers stationed in the area, the Dutch government failed to order a UN-proposed air attack on Serb troops. The Dutch were easily overpowered and the massacre unfolded.

24.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 06:59 pm

War crimes | 11.07.2010
Thousands in Bosnia mourn at anniversary of Srebrenica massacre :
Bosnia and Herzegovina on Sunday marks 15 years since 8,000 Muslim men
and boys were systematically killed by Bosnian Serb forces
in what became known as the Srebrenica massacre.
But questions still surround the tragedy.



Edited (7/16/2010) by yilgun-2010

25.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:09 pm

Oh Barba please, i guess no one is accusing the whole Dutchs. But the role of Dutch general in this massacre cannot be denided, below is the photo shows Dutch general having champagne with Ratko Mladiç after the exchange;

 

Quoting barba_mama

First of all, the Dutch didn´t "deliver" the people to the enemy. 



Edited (7/16/2010) by armegon

26.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:56 pm

I´m just saying what was said before, that the whole mission was totally carried out in a bad way. The Dutch soldiers there are traumatized as well, so to say that they "delivered" the people to the enemy is disrespecting those men and women. They thought they were doing something good with their lives, enforcing peace where it was needed. Instead they ended up in the middle of this massacre, totally unable to respond in the proper way because of a lack of support in material and manpower.

 

No comments on what I said about Rwanda? Or Birma?

27.       oeince
582 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 12:09 am

I don´t believe common currency, common foreign and defence policies are sustainable. I think the idae of taking strategic decisions in coordination with a supranational union is not realistic and profitable especially if the effecting power of Turkey is limited in that supranational union.

However the EU has a de facto facilitator role for politic reforms in Turkey and this role is important. Also if Spain and Sweden or Italy and Estonia, Roamia and Germany, France and UK etc. are able to take place in that organisation together, Turkey would have a seat in the table too. Turkey is not more foreign or inharmanious for the EU than these pairs are for each other.

In conclusion, i support the membership of Turkey to EU as long as the EU mainly remains as a union for free movement of persons, goods and services.

 



Edited (7/17/2010) by oeince

28.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 12:21 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

First of all, the Dutch didn´t "deliver" the people to the enemy. The horrible thing that happened is that the UN troops didn´t intervene. The reason why is because they were outnumbered.

 

The Irish have their own way of explaining why the Dutch were outnumbered and, in effect, couldn´t do anything.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0319/breaking29.html

 

and, in a less serious way

 

 

29.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 12:22 am

Hm, I think the common currency has up and down sides. Downside, you don´t have a national currency policy (basics economics, has to do with export and import, and changing exchange rates). However, trading with euro countries has become more attractive for "outsiders" since you don´t have to deal with tiny currencies and a dozen exchange rates. I think the main point that people need to remember is that the EU can never be a cultural alliance. Some people try to create this, with a flag and a song and everything, but it´s just a fabrication. As a economic alliance it makes sense, and can be very effective. But the governance of the EU is slow, and biased by cultural problems.

 

30.       scalpel
1472 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 06:49 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I´m just saying what was said before, that the whole mission was totally carried out in a bad way. The Dutch soldiers there are traumatized as well, so to say that they "delivered" the people to the enemy is disrespecting those men and women. They thought they were doing something good with their lives, enforcing peace where it was needed. Instead they ended up in the middle of this massacre, totally unable to respond in the proper way because of a lack of support in material and manpower.

 

No comments on what I said about Rwanda? Or Birma?

 

When it comes to Dutch people and Jews you are full of excuses and double standards.

 

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