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Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?
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30.       scalpel
1472 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 06:49 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I´m just saying what was said before, that the whole mission was totally carried out in a bad way. The Dutch soldiers there are traumatized as well, so to say that they "delivered" the people to the enemy is disrespecting those men and women. They thought they were doing something good with their lives, enforcing peace where it was needed. Instead they ended up in the middle of this massacre, totally unable to respond in the proper way because of a lack of support in material and manpower.

 

No comments on what I said about Rwanda? Or Birma?

 

When it comes to Dutch people and Jews you are full of excuses and double standards.

 

31.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 06:55 pm

No, actually. I´m saying that the UN made horrible mistakes, and the Dutch commanders made horrible mistakes. However, you make it sound like the Dutch troops happily picked up some innocent people and put them in a truck and delivered them to the enemy. That didn´t happen. I´m just telling the truth.

 

And tell me, what are my double standards regarding Jewish people?

32.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 07:13 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Hm, I think the common currency has up and down sides. Downside, you don´t have a national currency policy (basics economics, has to do with export and import, and changing exchange rates). However, trading with euro countries has become more attractive for "outsiders" since you don´t have to deal with tiny currencies and a dozen exchange rates. I think the main point that people need to remember is that the EU can never be a cultural alliance. Some people try to create this, with a flag and a song and everything, but it´s just a fabrication. As a economic alliance it makes sense, and can be very effective. But the governance of the EU is slow, and biased by cultural problems.

 

 

+100000

I think Euro has been a great success so far. I remember many Asian countries were kind of threatening UK by telling them they will stop investing, if UK rejects to join Euro. It is simply too easy to deal with one currency..

And yes EU economic alliance is the BASE of EU. EU together is a major player in the world. As far as the volumes are concerned, individual eu countries are not a match to those big cats like china usa japan etc.. EU will be getting more and more effective in coming years in my view..

33.       oeince
582 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 08:28 pm

I insist on my idea about EURO´s unsustainable structure. Look what Merkel says about that issue; 

Merkel: The Euro Is At Risk, Could Have Global Consequences

German Chancellor Angela Merkel keeps on spooking investors. Speaking in the Bundestag Wednesday she says the euro is in danger, urging speedy action to stop market “extortion” and says the E.U. need a process for “orderly” insolvency of members.

http://econotwist.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/merkel-the-euro-is-at-risk-could-have-global-consequences/


34.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 10:32 pm

The euro could work if it was just the stable, and honoust economies that took part in it. It´s to many countries with vague economic policies that joined the euro, which is hurting it right now

35.       oeince
582 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 10:45 pm

If only Merkel and Sarko could think that too. They would not try that much to create the Eurozone.

36.       raindrops
267 posts
 19 Jul 2010 Mon 09:52 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

+100000

I think Euro has been a great success so far. I remember many Asian countries were kind of threatening UK by telling them they will stop investing, if UK rejects to join Euro. It is simply too easy to deal with one currency..

And yes EU economic alliance is the BASE of EU. EU together is a major player in the world. As far as the volumes are concerned, individual eu countries are not a match to those big cats like china usa japan etc.. EU will be getting more and more effective in coming years in my view..

 

to buy oil, gas, gold, wheat you will have to buy dollars, not euro

euro is up because in other case all goods would be too expensive to buy comparing to dollars. it is just agreement between usa and eu. union uses dollars, but due to rate makes goods cheapper

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37.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 19 Jul 2010 Mon 10:13 am

Free trade or competitive economy is bulshit !

The trick is in keeping the oil trade in dollars or Euros...Any oil producing country who even considers selling her oil (or any other natural resource) in her own currency is bound to get into immediate trouble.

The current set up allows US to buy any commodity from the international market, only by printing as many dollars as necessary to cover the cost of needed commodity....if set up changes, such that each country can demand her own currency for what ever she produces, US will have to realize they have to produce more at home to offer the international market, to be able to continiue gulping half the world´s oil.

 

38.       raindrops
267 posts
 19 Jul 2010 Mon 10:45 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

Free trade or competitive economy is bulshit !

The trick is in keeping the oil trade in dollars or Euros...Any oil producing country who even considers selling her oil (or any other natural resource) in her own currency is bound to get into immediate trouble.

The current set up allows US to buy any commodity from the international market, only by printing as many dollars as necessary to cover the cost of needed commodity....if set up changes, such that each country can demand her own currency for what ever she produces, US will have to realize they have to produce more at home to offer the international market, to be able to continiue gulping half the world´s oil.

 

usa cannot offer anything, but army force. they dont have plants and fabrics on its territory. thus, they have only currency, which in fact is not usa currency. usa does not have currency at all. you cannot buy anything for euro, dollars only. thus, all negotiations between south america´s countries, russia and china for other currency in accounts are killing for usa.

usa does realize, but has nothing to offer besides paper with portraits and green colour. and how will you make all other world to buy dollars having state´s debt of trillions, of still having no control over all oil mines and almost no control over gas ?

 

39.       janissaridis
148 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 12:01 am

I ready for EU I m sure they dont ready for me

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40.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 12:59 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

No, actually. I´m saying that the UN made horrible mistakes, and the Dutch commanders made horrible mistakes. However, you make it sound like the Dutch troops happily picked up some innocent people and put them in a truck and delivered them to the enemy. That didn´t happen. I´m just telling the truth.

 

And tell me, what are my double standards regarding Jewish people?

I would not even call the Dutch crowd an army; any soldier who gives up people in his protection to the enemy should immediately be kicked out his uniform.

I personally think it is a disgrace to continue keeping them in NATO. The only thing the Dutch managed to save in Srebrenitza was their own worthless lives.

They made mistakes, eh? Such mistakes are allowed only in Peter Sellers movies. They should have stood their ground and died, protecting the unarmed civilians they turned over to the Serbian butchers.

They preferred to live the rest of their lives in disgrace !

 



Edited (7/22/2010) by AlphaF

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