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Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 03:28 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: does wearing headscarf make woman a slave or second class citizen? i disagree with you..most of them wear it because they think quran orders to wear it..not because of men. |
I dont think you will EVER understand the point I am making! WHY SHOULD a women have to cover herself, but not a man? Because it is in the Quran? Mohammad was a man no? |
offffffff read my post again aenigma i agree with you..it is nonsense to wear heascarf..yes but i am saying to wear headscarf doesnt make a woman second class human or a slave..i dont think you will ever understand the point i am making 
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 03:30 pm |
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Quoting ciko: offffffff read my post again aenigma i agree with you..it is nonsense to wear heascarf..yes but i am saying to wear headscarf doesnt make a woman second class human or a slave..i dont think you will ever understand the point i am making |
I understood your post perfectly, but I disgree. Wearing a headscarf is supporting a culture which DOES make you a second class citizen.
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 03:36 pm |
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I agree there are way too many law suits out there and were just making the lawyers richer everyday. I have a couple perspectives on this situation myself. You have all types of hairdressers with different appearances. My personal hairdresser has red and blue hair. At first I thought OMG what have I gotten myself into, because you do tend to go by appearance and perception. Only to my surprise, she is fantastic!
However, with many positions employers can dictate a dress code and this would not be considered discrimination even if it's part of her religion. Sometimes we need to be flexible with our appearance to obtain the job we are looking for. In the business world, most employers forbid visible body piercings, require a certain dress code policy.
If the position was that important to her, she may have been more flexible to the owners wishes and not wear it during business hours. The owner does have the right to enforce certain standards regarding dress code as long as they are consistent with their policies.
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 03:41 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting ciko: offffffff read my post again aenigma i agree with you..it is nonsense to wear heascarf..yes but i am saying to wear headscarf doesnt make a woman second class human or a slave..i dont think you will ever understand the point i am making |
I understood your post perfectly, but I disgree. Wearing a headscarf is supporting a culture which DOES make you a second class citizen. |
yes you are right! they are indirectly supporting patriarchal society but there must be more valid reasons to wear them. women who wear headscarf have brains too and they are mostly able to question the meaning of wearing headscarf.. some of them are well educated..and i know many feminist headscarved women..maybe there is something we cannot see..
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 03:59 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: I agree there are way too many law suits out there and were just making the lawyers richer everyday. I have a couple perspectives on this situation myself. You have all types of hairdressers with different appearances. My personal hairdresser has red and blue hair. At first I thought OMG what have I gotten myself into, because you do tend to go by appearance and perception. Only to my surprise, she is fantastic!
However, with many positions employers can dictate a dress code and this would not be considered discrimination even if it's part of her religion. Sometimes we need to be flexible with our appearance to obtain the job we are looking for. In the business world, most employers forbid visible body piercings, require a certain dress code policy.
If the position was that important to her, she may have been more flexible to the owners wishes and not wear it during business hours. The owner does have the right to enforce certain standards regarding dress code as long as they are consistent with their policies. |
How eloquently put - thanks
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 04:30 pm |
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In my opinion, the salon owner has a perfect right to hire whomever he/she wants to. A salon is about IMAGE and the owner has a cerain image that he/she wants to portray to the puplic. I personally wouldn't let a woman who wears a headscarf to touch my hair. I selected my hairdresser because I like her style. The way she wears her hair and puts on her make up is exactly in tune with my taste and style.
Now, as far as modesty and headscarves.....you can still be modest and NOT wear one, THANK YOU!!!
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 04:31 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i know many feminist headscarved women..maybe there is something we cannot see.. |
what do you expect them to do in a religion dominant society? who would ever take serious a lady with no cover?
second, you thought in western countries feminists wear mini or bikini? most of the feminists are serious self respecting and very modest women. they concentrate on serious issues and have no time for a fashion show or makeup (which is the world created by man for men).
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 04:33 pm |
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Quote: they concentrate on serious issues and have no time for a fashion show or makeup (which is the world created by man for men). |
SOOOO TRUE!!!!!
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 05:51 pm |
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Quote: Quoting Elisabeth: they concentrate on serious issues and have no time for a fashion show or makeup (which is the world created by man for men). |
SOOOO TRUE!!!!! |
Although to an extent I agree with you, I think feminism is totally wrong also. I enjoy wearing make up, I feel better in myself, the same way my husband enjoys to have a clean shave and put on aftershave and colonge, he feels good in himself. We do so for each other also. I want to look good for him, and he for I.
Feminism is as equally wrong as chauvinism (can't spell that) in my eyes. Both are bullys for their own sex.
There is nothing wrong with healthily wishing to look good and feel good for yourself or for your husband, wife, etc.......
I do however totally agree that this balance has gone right out of the window to the point that young girls so desperately want to be size zero, they become anorexic, men can't take their eyes of sexy images everywhere, on the net, on the tv commercials, on explicit pop hip-hop videos, on newspapers and absolutely everywehre ! the world has gone mad.
I suppose I just disagree with the statement "created by men for men". I am not sure, but I will look it up, is not Cleopatra responsible for all our make-up craziness ???? 
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 06:27 pm |
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I myself love to wear make up, dress well, and do my hair....but sometimes, I am not sure if I am doing it for myself or to make my husband take notice. In any case, I don't think it is right for people to assume that I am immodest or that I want sex because I enjoy these things. This is the same thinking that allows men to blame women for being raped or beaten! OH, she was looking sexy, so she deserved it, mentality. The headscarf, to a woman like me, is a symbol of denial...denial of a womans right to the power of beauty....that is what I hate.
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 06:31 pm |
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Quoting Cacık:
Although to an extent I agree with you, I think feminism is totally wrong also.
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wrong! feminism is an answer to what was/is done to women. the freedom, the rights i enjoy today i owe to feminists who fought for me and for millions of others who suffered from patriarchy.
Quoting Cacık:
I enjoy wearing make up, I feel better in myself, the same way my husband enjoys to have a clean shave and put on aftershave and colonge, he feels good in himself. We do so for each other also. I want to look good for him, and he for I.
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it is absolutely ok with me, if its your choice, if its not forced by social etiquettes/customs/traditions. its wrong if you are raised to look like a barbie.
Quoting Cacık:
Feminism is as equally wrong as chauvinism (can't spell that) in my eyes. Both are bullys for their own sex.
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i dont think as a feminist i bully men. although i admit that there are agressive feminists who wish there were no men species
Quoting Cacık:
There is nothing wrong with healthily wishing to look good and feel good for yourself or for your husband, wife, etc.......
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it depends as you say on 'balance'.
Quoting Cacık:
I do however totally agree that this balance has gone right out of the window to the point that young girls so desperately want to be size zero, they become anorexic, men can't take their eyes of sexy images everywhere, on the net, on the tv commercials, on explicit pop hip-hop videos, on newspapers and absolutely everywehre ! the world has gone mad.
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+10000
Quoting Cacık:
I suppose I just disagree with the statement 'created by men for men'. I am not sure, but I will look it up, is not Cleopatra responsible for all our make-up craziness ???? |
the world of fashion is created by men for men where women play the roles of puppets.
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