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Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 06:31 pm |
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Quoting Cacık:
Although to an extent I agree with you, I think feminism is totally wrong also.
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wrong! feminism is an answer to what was/is done to women. the freedom, the rights i enjoy today i owe to feminists who fought for me and for millions of others who suffered from patriarchy.
Quoting Cacık:
I enjoy wearing make up, I feel better in myself, the same way my husband enjoys to have a clean shave and put on aftershave and colonge, he feels good in himself. We do so for each other also. I want to look good for him, and he for I.
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it is absolutely ok with me, if its your choice, if its not forced by social etiquettes/customs/traditions. its wrong if you are raised to look like a barbie.
Quoting Cacık:
Feminism is as equally wrong as chauvinism (can't spell that) in my eyes. Both are bullys for their own sex.
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i dont think as a feminist i bully men. although i admit that there are agressive feminists who wish there were no men species 
Quoting Cacık:
There is nothing wrong with healthily wishing to look good and feel good for yourself or for your husband, wife, etc.......
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it depends as you say on 'balance'.
Quoting Cacık:
I do however totally agree that this balance has gone right out of the window to the point that young girls so desperately want to be size zero, they become anorexic, men can't take their eyes of sexy images everywhere, on the net, on the tv commercials, on explicit pop hip-hop videos, on newspapers and absolutely everywehre ! the world has gone mad.
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+10000
Quoting Cacık:
I suppose I just disagree with the statement 'created by men for men'. I am not sure, but I will look it up, is not Cleopatra responsible for all our make-up craziness ????  |
the world of fashion is created by men for men where women play the roles of puppets.
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 10:47 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I myself love to wear make up, dress well, and do my hair....but sometimes, I am not sure if I am doing it for myself or to make my husband take notice. In any case, I don't think it is right for people to assume that I am immodest or that I want sex because I enjoy these things. This is the same thinking that allows men to blame women for being raped or beaten! OH, she was looking sexy, so she deserved it, mentality. The headscarf, to a woman like me, is a symbol of denial...denial of a womans right to the power of beauty....that is what I hate.
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Very well put Elizabeth! 
Look here: Love Your Body
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05 Dec 2007 Wed 11:02 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: Although to an extent I agree with you, I think feminism is totally wrong also. I enjoy wearing make up, I feel better in myself, the same way my husband enjoys to have a clean shave and put on aftershave and colonge, he feels good in himself. We do so for each other also. I want to look good for him, and he for I.
Feminism is as equally wrong as chauvinism (can't spell that) in my eyes. Both are bullys for their own sex.
There is nothing wrong with healthily wishing to look good and feel good for yourself or for your husband, wife, etc.......
I do however totally agree that this balance has gone right out of the window to the point that young girls so desperately want to be size zero, they become anorexic, men can't take their eyes of sexy images everywhere, on the net, on the tv commercials, on explicit pop hip-hop videos, on newspapers and absolutely everywehre ! the world has gone mad.
I suppose I just disagree with the statement "created by men for men". I am not sure, but I will look it up, is not Cleopatra responsible for all our make-up craziness ???? |
Look, it is femme's OPINION that feminists don't wear makeups. Many do, but the point is that they try to put it in the right perspective. Many women feel that the popular notions of "beauty" are similar to the whole headscarf thing - women being objects of enjoyment and possession for men.
Anyways, where did you take the idea that feminism is opposite to chauvinism!? I think you're a victim of the backlash which made feminism look like a dirty word. It is not! It stands for all the things you mentioned you support.
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 12:29 am |
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Have you ladies ever speculated on the question "why, of the two sexes, only the females are endowed with quality of coyness?". Why did the nature think the menfolk can do with out it? Any divine purpose in that?
PS: Watch it! Do not reply this post, unless you are gracefully ready for another lesson by AlphaF
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 12:31 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Have you ladies ever speculated on the question "why, of the two sexes, only the females are endowed with quality of coyness?". |
Where on earth did you get that idea? 
Maybe you are talking about that false coyness that your culture encourages?
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 12:35 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: Have you ladies ever speculated on the question "why, of the two sexes, only the females are endowed with quality of coyness?". |
Where on earth did you get that idea? |
Maybe from porn and/or JeLly? :-S
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 12:36 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Maybe from porn and/or JeLly? :-S |
If Jelly is coy, my name is Erlik Han
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 12:39 am |
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I am impatiently waiting for "another lesson from AlphaF" in his series entitled: "AlphaF: How I became so chauvinistic and ignorant"
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 12:43 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I am impatiently waiting for "another lesson from AlphaF" in his series entitled: "AlphaF: How I became so chauvinistic and ignorant" |
That is certainly a very educational series, as we still struggle to understand brain pathology..
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06 Dec 2007 Thu 01:02 am |
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Replies I have receivd to my question indicate that either you are all below the age of 18, or you are all adults who do not possess the philosophical depth to discuss such issues.
I shall keep quiet about nature's secrets, until a mature audience is available...
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Or perhaps you are confusing feminism with butch lesbianism? 