i believe you are not forced to wear hijab but dont you ever question why God orders that? dont you ever think that it is not fair to order wearing hijab not to let men get aroused? dont you think it is insulting women? i am not saying these to offend you.i am really just trying to understand logic of hijab..i cannot accept such things unconditionally like most muslims do!

Hi Elham

As I was the first to respond to Roswitha's post with a negative vibe, I assumed you were targeting me as anti-Muslim. Apologies if I was incorrect.

But there is a point I would like make here please, just so you (that is a plural you) may understand us yabancilar. I get the feeling that a lot of covered ladies are consistently provoking the general public. Not a month goes by now where some covered girl is not in the press suing somebody because of her headscarf. I, for one, don't have any problems with headscarves (I do have a problem with the hajib or full blacked out robes - like AEnigma I feel the is opression to women).

For me the problem begins when these women start pushing and pushing their point. It sometimes seems that they do not EVER see things from another point of view. They are totally fixed on their own views and beliefs only and no matter what it costs tax-payers or courts, they are willing to drag things through the courts, European courts and tribunals.

There simply are certain expected things in every country, culture, race that just are the way things are. If you chose to live somewhere else, then you should expect things to be different and not always the same as back home. I live in Turkey, such an amazinng place, but very different for a Christian in so many ways, ways perhaps you will never understand, but I don't kick and scream and get myself into the national press, courts and tribulnals for it all. It is just the way it is and I chose to live here.

Maybe that is why I took immediate, and perhaps unjustified, offence at your first post Elham.

And besides, where is Roswitha. She has a habit of posting these fiesty little news articles that we all know will kick up a fuss, then she disappears without a word !!!! cheeky thing !!!

I don't think there is a need for apologies here. I thought you post was very accurate and we all have our own opinions on the matter. I welcome your contribution to this topic.

This thread has gotten quite long the past couple of hours and I dont have time to read all of it so I would just like to direct a post to the original topic.

I think some people don't realize that hijabis were not born with a hijab and don't wear it around the clock, many only when there are men around, so they may very well take it off when they are working in a salon.
Any why couldn't a hair dresser wearing a hijab be just as good as one without? The hijabi hairdresser may have a sassy hairdo underneath and even if she doesn't, it's kind of like a bald stylist as someone mentioned at the beginning. I do, however, know of several hairdressers who cover their hair when they go out on the street but takes it off when they're at work as long as only women enter the salon.
A while ago I went to a hairdresser in Hakkâri who was wearing a hijab and she did a real nice job so personally I couldn't care less.

I truely appreciate what you are saying Azade. However, why are the rights of this woman more important than the rights of the shop owner to hire who he/she wants? If this is not an image they want protrayed in this salon, why should he/she be forced to hire her just to avoid a lawsuit? Maybe she was a crappy hairdresser...did anyone think of that? Maybe the shop owner found someone more qualified and this woman is assuming that she wasn't hired because of her veil. People are very quick to cry descrimination. I have been thru this before in my professional life. I was accused of denying benefits to a Muslim man. It did not matter that he did not meet the criteria for this particular benefit...he just assumed it was because he was Muslim. Strangly enough, as soon as he learned that my husband is Muslim....his tune changed a little....and he apologized. WOW...all of a sudden I am not decriminating against him!!

Elisabeth - they same thing happened to someone I know in the UK. A Pakistani lady keep lifting up some porcelain trinkets in a charity shop (in the UK) and the shop worker asked the lady to please put them down unless she was going to buy something (in case of breakages). Immediately and WITHOUT hesitation, the woman screamed YES screamed not spoke - screamed, it's because I'm a Paki isn't..... she threated to lodge a complaint of racism. The worker in the shop was very distraught and upset. Fortunately, no complaint was lodged and the lady never came back.

Believe me, these people seem to be crying immediate discrimination because they know that they can, perhaps they enjoy it, perhaps they like to drain taxes, court time and instigate provocation.

Yes, some to seem to gain a very fast and thorough understanding of our laws....but I think it is hilarious that they are the first claim they can't speak English or they didn't understand something when they are challenged!! But I digress....that happens everywhere, I am sure.