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headscarf was still a social problem
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 02:21 am |
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yurtta barış dünyada barış
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 02:28 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: yurtta barış dünyada barış |
Dam ustunde saksagan, vur beline kazmayi
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 02:44 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: ha ha
similar thing happened to me as well actually..
It was in pakistan..and we built this camp site and of course we had to built a mosque as well..
Well, of course I asked where kibla was to the surveyors before the construction..and they gave us the direction and we built it..
People started praying in it etc etc..
But when the RE came to the site the problem started..
The first thing he did was, he sent his own surveyors to check the direction of the mosque..
And the result was..It was of 17 degrees!! 
After a bit of arm bending, threatining(begging) etc, we settled that the carpets would be laid with 17 degrees to the layout of the mosque so that people could face macca..Phew!!
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I'm curious what method they used to determine the direction of the kibla. Why was it different than yours, can you tell us? I've seen people with those little kibla finders go off in the wrong direction due to being in places where iron threw them off...but they can get quite fanatic about it.
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 02:45 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: The mutavvas are generally funny, but can become a real nuisance for Resident Engineers running construction contracts in Saudi Arabia.
It is necessary - for certain reasons- that the direction of Mecca should be established before any construction project is kicked off, and a permanent marking monument be kept on site, for everybody's refence.
The duty to check the correctness of these monuments belong to Mutavva.
A good Resident Engineer who has the necessary equipment asks his surveyor to measure the angles and prepare the necessary monument, in advance.
Then arrives the 100 years old Mutavva, who is absolutely blind, to check and verify the monument.
The old Mutavva will have absolutely no respect for modern surveying equipment nor for topographical engineers. He will insist the direction he shows by his right hand is the correct one, regardless of what survey results indicate.
Mutavvas instructions are verbal (no records), But the RE is of course ultimately responsible.
If the survey result and Mutavva's instruction do not match, they all have a ball until the difference is resolved, and the construction may wait for the whole period. |
So...what it the method the Mutawas use to determine the correct direction?
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 03:11 am |
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Quoting alameda: I'm curious what method they used to determine the direction of the kibla. Why was it different than yours, can you tell us? I've seen people with those little kibla finders go off in the wrong direction due to being in places where iron threw them off...but they can get quite fanatic about it. |
I dont know exactly what went wrong to be honest.
But I believe surveyors are able to determine positions from the north star if necessary..But it was in old days..Now they have gps.
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 10:36 am |
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To my curious friend:
My surveyor was obviously smack on the spot: he had the knowledge and the best surveying instruments.
The old Mutavva was blind and senile, I have no idea how he made his decision. He was way off.
PS: Most beduins living on the deserts have such a sharp sense of direction that mere mortals like me can only watch and follow them with awe. They need no intruments to tell you what is which way, day or night. My old Mutavva however, was not one of those guys. 
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 11:41 am |
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I have to tell this joke before I bury myself into work and forget:
As you know Resident Engineers work for consultant firms (in construction projects anyway). And consultants by definition are there to be consulted. They wont do the job but tell you you how it is to be done.
Anyway her comes the joke (we used to tell this when consultants were around )
A very experienced and aged cockerel walks along the field and wants to jump to the other side of the barb wired fence. But when jumping, his willy gets caught to the wire and snaps.
Of course, he starts to cry.
And a young cockerel comes along.. Looks at what happened and says 'dont worry, you can be a consultant now'
No offense to anybody btw!!
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 11:53 am |
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When the RE says "Jump"...everybody on site jumps, including funny peanuts !
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 02:50 pm |
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Turkish PM: Head scarf ban can be lifted
ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey's prime minister on Wednesday challenged a ban on women wearing head scarves in universities and public offices, saying there is no need to wait for a constitutional change to remove the ban, state-run media said.
(alJazeera)
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