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headscarf was still a social problem
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16 Jan 2008 Wed 12:41 pm |
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HOW IT ALL CAME ABOUT
God was distributing women among his favorite prophets.
The first to chose was Moses, the senior prophet: he took all the pretty ones.
Second to chose was Jesus. He picked up the intelligent ones.
Poor Mohammed was the last, he turned to the remaining ladies and said "into your burkhas, turbans and veils...quick!".
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16 Jan 2008 Wed 12:43 pm |
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Quoting Waseem_UK: Quoting English_boy: Quoting Waseem_UK: Quoting English_boy: An interesting post this, and one that my fiancee and I have been talking about whilst I was in Izmir over the last week.
Although she doesn't wear a head scarf, she has no problem with anyone that does as long as it is done in a religious way, the rest of the body is covered to hide the female shape (a better way of putting this escapes me at present), but those people that wear a headscarf whilst wearing, not necassarily tight, but clothes that would certainly not hide "lumps and bumps", she truly dislikes. To the point when we went into a shop looking for a suit for our wedding, she couldn't wait to get out because the girl serving us was wearing a headscarf and a figure hugging wrap.
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So if the shop assistant hadnt' a had headscarf, but wore a figure hugging wrap, she'd have felt comfortable? Interesting. |
Yes, because she believes the wearing of headscarves in this case is purely political motivated and a breaking down of the secular system within Turkey |
So it's a political protest. |
The wearing of the headscarf? or her dislike of those wearing them?
But then the answer to both those questions is probably yes to a certain degree. I believe some people wear them purely for fashion, but I can see her point that some do wear them for political expression.
She is staunchly CHP and deeply dislikes the AKP as she, like many others (including the military) believe they hold an Islamic agenda in that they want to bring religion back into politics, something that goes against the very fundamentals of what Ataturk created in modern day secular Turkey(as I understand it, being British it is not something that I have an in-depth knowledge about)
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16 Jan 2008 Wed 12:49 pm |
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Quoting English_boy: Quoting Waseem_UK: Quoting English_boy: Quoting Waseem_UK: Quoting English_boy: An interesting post this, and one that my fiancee and I have been talking about whilst I was in Izmir over the last week.
Although she doesn't wear a head scarf, she has no problem with anyone that does as long as it is done in a religious way, the rest of the body is covered to hide the female shape (a better way of putting this escapes me at present), but those people that wear a headscarf whilst wearing, not necassarily tight, but clothes that would certainly not hide "lumps and bumps", she truly dislikes. To the point when we went into a shop looking for a suit for our wedding, she couldn't wait to get out because the girl serving us was wearing a headscarf and a figure hugging wrap.
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So if the shop assistant hadnt' a had headscarf, but wore a figure hugging wrap, she'd have felt comfortable? Interesting. |
Yes, because she believes the wearing of headscarves in this case is purely political motivated and a breaking down of the secular system within Turkey |
So it's a political protest. |
The wearing of the headscarf? or her dislike of those wearing them?
But then the answer to both those questions is probably yes to a certain degree. I believe some people wear them purely for fashion, but I can see her point that some do wear them for political expression.
She is staunchly CHP and deeply dislikes the AKP as she, like many others (including the military) believe they hold an Islamic agenda in that they want to bring religion back into politics, something that goes against the very fundamentals of what Ataturk created in modern day secular Turkey(as I understand it, being British it is not something that I have an in-depth knowledge about) |
Thanks. I meant shop girl initially, but thought my comment might apply to your fiancee too. I'm not fully aware of the politics in Turkey either, but learning...dare I say, from these forums.
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16 Jan 2008 Wed 09:55 pm |
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It's possible that I am mistaken, but it's my understanding that a Muslim would or should not stand in judgement on the way another Muslim dresses. This is because it is only Allah who can make a judgement on each individual follower's God consciousness and how they interpret the teachings within Islam. Allah gave humans free will and, as we all know, we are none of us perfect, however God conscious (or not) we profess to be.
And for those non Muslims who wish to comment about the way Muslims dress, then that is their right but, again, a Muslim will usually view it as a matter between the individual and Allah and may endeavour not to become embroiled in such a discussion.
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16 Jan 2008 Wed 11:52 pm |
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But if it obvious that someone is doing something wrong then they should offer their dawah in order to help the person find their way. A muslim also receives hasanat for helping others. If someone was doig something wrong or hurtful to themselves would you not try to help them?
But it is true that only Allah can make judgements on people.
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16 Jan 2008 Wed 11:58 pm |
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Is that why guys, in Saudi Arabia, are practically trying to pull people into mosques by force, during salat times?
Hasanat...I should have known there was something in it for them, too.
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 12:00 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Is that why guys, in Saudi Arabia, are practically trying to pull into mosques by force, during salat times?
Hasanat...I wish I knew that before... |
Funny you should mention this. Don't they have religious police in Saudi...to make sure the "faithful" are praying?
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 12:02 am |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AlphaF: Is that why guys, in Saudi Arabia, are practically trying to pull into mosques by force, during salat times?
Hasanat...I wish I knew that before... |
Funny you should mention this. Don't they have religious police in Saudi...to make sure the "faithful" are praying? |
Yes, but not in a threatening way....
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 12:33 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Is that why guys, in Saudi Arabia, are practically trying to pull into mosques by force, during salat times?
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Which guys? I'm not following
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 12:38 am |
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Quoting azade: Quoting AlphaF: Is that why guys, in Saudi Arabia, are practically trying to pull into mosques by force, during salat times?
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Which guys? I'm not following |
The police...they would wave their battons and shout 'salah....salah' (or it sounds like that) ..and you go to the mosque peacefully
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17 Jan 2008 Thu 12:43 am |
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There are guys, usually very old and half blind, in front of Saudi mosques.
If it is prayer time, they invite passers bye inside the mosque to join the prayers. They do have small sticks in their hands which they may ocassionally wave in threatening modes...but they are usually so old that there is no real forcing involved.
I think Saudis call them MUTAVVA.
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