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150.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Jan 2008 Sat 08:12 pm

I don't think that there is any islamophobia, in the sense like there is homophobia or antisemitism (especially antisemitism in the past in europe) for example. I would agree that there is some sort of antipathy and some misunderstanding about muslims, but it isn't anything large scale, but rather isolated examples. At the same time, it's hard to misspel any misunderstandings and antipathy towards muslims if there are no muslims who protest against the cruelties that seem to be sanctioned by their religion and especially if you look what is going on in muslim countries.
If there was islamophobia, you would see muslims who move from the west to muslim countries. I have never heard of anybody doing that, in fact, they still move to the west as much as they can.

151.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Jan 2008 Sun 12:59 am

The real problem - one that can never be reconciled - is between Jewish and Christian faiths...I think Jews are winning.

Moslems are only innocent and unaware bystanders.. They only get killed as the fight moves on...

Believe it or not.

152.       Waseem_UK
174 posts
 13 Jan 2008 Sun 03:03 am

Quoting catwoman:

I don't think that there is any islamophobia, in the sense like there is homophobia or antisemitism (especially antisemitism in the past in europe) for example. I would agree that there is some sort of antipathy and some misunderstanding about muslims, but it isn't anything large scale, but rather isolated examples. At the same time, it's hard to misspel any misunderstandings and antipathy towards muslims if there are no muslims who protest against the cruelties that seem to be sanctioned by their religion and especially if you look what is going on in muslim countries.
If there was islamophobia, you would see muslims who move from the west to muslim countries. I have never heard of anybody doing that, in fact, they still move to the west as much as they can.



thanks for sharing your THOUGHTs.....

153.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Jan 2008 Sun 04:17 am

Antisemitism in Europe didn't happen all at once. It started with the demonization of the Jews and built up slowly.

As long as we have people like Daniel Pipes

Ann Coulter

This American Life pull the slider to 7:15 and listen to the problems this 4th grader had in school.

I don't understand how these people can be allowed to continue. There are laws against libel.
Libel

What would you call it when a place like the Khalil Gibran International Academy faces such objections to the school.

I think if anything we need more places like the Khalil Gibran International Academy.

154.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 14 Jan 2008 Mon 04:02 am

When the Ottoman Empire began, Edward Longshanks, King of England, was fighting in the Ninth Crusade with his Mongol allies, who massacred their way through Anatolia to Aleppo, driving tens of thousands of terrified Seljuk Turks before him. Edward would return to England, still in contact with his Mongol buddies, and proceed in time to murder the Jews of England. Longshanks and his ally, the Mongol Abagha are as much the fathers of the Ottoman Empire as Othman the First.

155.       Cacık
296 posts
 14 Jan 2008 Mon 05:56 pm

We could spend years throwing weblinks back at each other showing how the other side suffers.

You obviously cannot accept - you can't even write it - that phobia exists in the islam world towards anything non-islamic. For every post you retaliate with weblinks..... so I would prefer not to continue this debate.

You want to know why islamophobia exists, for precisely the reason you have shown, a refusal to see the other side, a refusal to see that you are not the only victims of persecution. You continue to shower us with statistics and websites without acknowledging that there is far more to it that your superficial view.

So as long as you are unable to enter equally into debate an accept that there is fault on all sides, you will always have islamophobia.

My last words because it is such a waste of my time !

156.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Jan 2008 Mon 06:08 pm

Maybe it's just me, but I believe that too much has been made of this issue. I don't think average people care whether or not a woman wears a headscarf. I think it is a political tool used to cause hate and discontent between people and to even discuss it in a political arena only makes insignificant differences between people seem HUGE.

Personally, I would never wear one but I don't care if someone else does. It means something different to me than to them..I am sure. But the point is, this issue is used to polarize people, not because politicians really care.

157.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Jan 2008 Mon 06:22 pm

The issue has very little to do with average people or with the average politician: They are mere tools...

A great deal more is at stake....

158.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Jan 2008 Mon 06:25 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

The issue has very little to do with average people or with the average politician.

A great deal more is at stake....



I am sure you are right but if the average person doesn't really care...why do the extremes have such power?

159.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Jan 2008 Mon 06:28 pm

pls rephrase you query...

160.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Jan 2008 Mon 06:30 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

pls rephrase you query...



I guess you have to assume that the average person is the majority and the extreme person is the minority...how is it that the extreme has so much power in our world right now...is it true that the squeaky wheel gets the grease?

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