Quoting Roswitha:

Transsexual Diva Bülent Ersoy (who recently underwent extensive external-body plastic surgery) pooh-poohed her Esthetic Surgeon's well-intended advice and refused to fully recuperate before resuming work. As a result, she's suffering a number of surgical complications. For example, the silicon that had been injected into legs and knees to enhance their looks, has now slipped down to her ankles (ayak bileğe) -- and everyone is (cruelly) joking about the diva's silicon woes ('ayak bileğine kayan' silkonunu).
And in the sidebar entitled Çorabın sırrı çözüldü (Secret of the stockings solved), we learn that Ersoy chided one of the female Popstar contestants for not wearing stockings on-stage. The argument heated up when fellow-female jury-member Ebru Gündeş declared "I don't wear stockings either." And it caused people to say that Bülent Hanım only favored stockings these days because they help hide the scars from her esthetic knee surgery.

Quoting thehandsom:

I think, first of all my opinion about the ban:
The ban must stay for the personel working for the goverment departments. Teachers, doctors, clerks etc whoever gives the governements services CAN NOT WEAR anything symbolizes a religion.
Because, simply, governments must treat everybody equal regardless their religion (muslims, christians, jews etc). it is governments duty to put equal distance to everybody. So because a democratic, secular government cant have a religion, the turban ban should remain as it is. If you allow it, the very basic idea of 'government has the same distance to everybody' will have a shadow.
Basically governments cant have a religion. Coming to power by elections and thinking that 'oh we have the power then we can change it' is fundemantally WRONG. (with the same principles, religion sections in ID cards should be removed immediatly.)

About the universities:
My personal idea will be removing the ban from universities..However, at high school and in primary education, the ban even should not be discussed. Because at that age, they should be protected from the pressures coming from the society. They are vulnerable.

Now then about turban itself:

we all know that there are millions of milions of muslims they think that wearing turban is not necessary and turban problem is nothing to do with freedom. They are simply not covering themselves. We all know that the way they practice islam in libiya, saudi arabia and turkey is very very different. so where is the line?.who is right? what is the answer?

Then what about the religious communities which are spending everything they have, on bringing sheria (which they are quite powerful at the moment in Turkey. One of them is Fettullah Gulen for example, which owns Zaman!!!) ? What about the pressure they are imposing everywhere? think of a girl wearing a mini skirt in a place where majority is wearing head scarf? (ie Fatif in Istanbul) how long do you think that girl can wear that skirt? or simple how long will she last without putting a headscarf herself? or what do you think the majority will think about that girl? well we all know what they think..dont we? where is that girls rights then? everything is legal from outside. no forcing..BUT THAT IS PRESSURE!!
(we can find thousands of examples about this type of pressure.) And of course you can go back to universities about this ban as well: what about as a parent if you think your daughter will be seen as less muslim, not honourable, non muslim or not muslim ENOUGH? It will be denying rights..wont it?

Secularism (if it could be imposed properly) is a very important at this moment because a secular country's government must protect its citizens from religious communities' pressure.. Because it is GOVERNMENT'S BASIC DUTY.

When you look at the posts above, the common idea is that muslims are not living freely or practising their religions in Turkey because of turban ban. That is not right.

I believe that turban is a symbol as far as Turkey is concerned..It is a statement.
My mother hides her hair because she is a muslim. Old school woman..
In any of the government departments she was never ever returned back because she is wearing a head scarf. She has never ever been denied anything in any of the hospitals. She has never ever been mistreated. I have never ever heard of any of women i know, complaining about those things.

Quoting thehandsom:

I think, first of all my opinion about the ban:
The ban must stay for the personel working for the goverment departments. Teachers, doctors, clerks etc whoever gives the governements services CAN NOT WEAR anything symbolizes a religion.
Because, simply, governments must treat everybody equal regardless their religion (muslims, christians, jews etc). it is governments duty to put equal distance to everybody. So because a democratic, secular government cant have a religion, the turban ban should remain as it is. If you allow it, the very basic idea of 'government has the same distance to everybody' will have a shadow.
Basically governments cant have a religion. Coming to power by elections and thinking that 'oh we have the power then we can change it' is fundemantally WRONG. (with the same principles, religion sections in ID cards should be removed immediatly.)

About the universities:
My personal idea will be removing the ban from universities..However, at high school and in primary education, the ban even should not be discussed. Because at that age, they should be protected from the pressures coming from the society. They are vulnerable.

Now then about turban itself:

we all know that there are millions of milions of muslims they think that wearing turban is not necessary and turban problem is nothing to do with freedom. They are simply not covering themselves. We all know that the way they practice islam in libiya, saudi arabia and turkey is very very different. so where is the line?.who is right? what is the answer?

Then what about the religious communities which are spending everything they have, on bringing sheria (which they are quite powerful at the moment in Turkey. One of them is Fettullah Gulen for example, which owns Zaman!!!) ? What about the pressure they are imposing everywhere? think of a girl wearing a mini skirt in a place where majority is wearing head scarf? (ie Fatif in Istanbul) how long do you think that girl can wear that skirt? or simple how long will she last without putting a headscarf herself? or what do you think the majority will think about that girl? well we all know what they think..dont we? where is that girls rights then? everything is legal from outside. no forcing..BUT THAT IS PRESSURE!!
(we can find thousands of examples about this type of pressure.) And of course you can go back to universities about this ban as well: what about as a parent if you think your daughter will be seen as less muslim, not honourable, non muslim or not muslim ENOUGH? It will be denying rights..wont it?

Secularism (if it could be imposed properly) is a very important at this moment because a secular country's government must protect its citizens from religious communities' pressure.. Because it is GOVERNMENT'S BASIC DUTY.

When you look at the posts above, the common idea is that muslims are not living freely or practising their religions in Turkey because of turban ban. That is not right.

I believe that turban is a symbol as far as Turkey is concerned..It is a statement.
My mother hides her hair because she is a muslim. Old school woman..
In any of the government departments she was never ever returned back because she is wearing a head scarf. She has never ever been denied anything in any of the hospitals. She has never ever been mistreated. I have never ever heard of any of women i know, complaining about those things.

Quoting alameda:

Quoting zbrct:

I agree with you head scarf and ESPECIALLY speaking Kurdish in public spaces should not be allowed. Who cares freedoom of speech. State can determine what is good for people.

Yes, in European countries women with head scarf are allowed to work even in public places but they are Europeans, freedoom is a part of their civilization.
We belong to another civilization that is why any sign of religion and ethnicity should be banned by the Turkish state.

How happy to say I am a TURK and how happy to say I am a SECULAR.

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting zbrct:

Quoting thehandsom: